SE, please designate a Role Play friendly server!

[RolandDebreton]

SE should create a /roleplay on flag... On second though, I doubt anyone actually reads this post anyway. >.> Not putting any more thought into it.

I rather liked your ideas. At the very least the flag plus a, "/cm rp" chat, coupled with filter might rid most of their complaints.

[RolandDebreton]

Pages upon pages of text spam in say is, in fact, rude. This is just your opinion toward that kind of thing going on during RP and that is valid!

Bruce, I appreciate you granting me the validity of opinion, I will do the same. A great many things that some find annoying others build filters in their minds for.

Having said that, is weird, imaginative, silly or pretend chat any more or less offensive than line after line of text with obscenities, people complaining about how much they hate some aspect of this game, talking about politics, shouting their 1/8 parties every twelve seconds for two hours, long /s conversations in another language, or any of the other nuisance chat?

If it is not, which most will admit is the case, why single a particular group out? I've watched and listened to my 12 year old make silly sounds for 10 minutes, tap his feet, and other very annoying things, then when his little five year old brother starts quietly singing a song from the next room he becomes incensed. I, quite frankly, think this is the same thing, its just a bullying mentality on a group that's different, on someone that is not you or like you.

[Majidah]

Actually, it's called a blacklist. Which is where all the inconsiderate RPers I meet go to in my social lists. If they can't meet the rest of the server halfway in being a cooperative part of the community, rather than expecting us all to cater to them, then they aren't worth listening to in any way or form.

Inconsiderate role players? What the hell man. So none role playing people spamming about random things, or abusing an emoticon are any different?
Or hey, lets take it up a notch, people shouting for groups or to sell items? They are inconsiderate spammers too, right?

You might have better luck with an offline game.

I don't even role play, I just respect their right to do it openly. Seriously, get your head out of your ass. If you don't like it, just black list them as you said. But to think of them as inconsiderate? My god.

[Mychael]

Inconsiderate role players? What the hell man. So none role playing people spamming about random things, or abusing an emoticon are any different?
Or hey, lets take it up a notch, people shouting for groups or to sell items? They are inconsiderate spammers too, right?

You might have better luck with an offline game.

I don't even role play, I just respect their right to do it openly. Seriously, get your head out of your ass. If you don't like it, just black list them as you said. But to think of them as inconsiderate? My god.

I think (hope) the term "inconsiderate roleplayers" was meant to single out those role-players that don't consider other people when using the hell out of say and shout. Not to describe the entire population as inconsiderate.

[Majidah]

I think (hope) the term "inconsiderate roleplayers" was meant to single out those role-players that don't consider other people when using the hell out of say and shout. Not to describe the entire population as inconsiderate.

As long as they aren't repeating the same phrase or action over and over, it isn't spam and I welcome it. I rather see role players chatting in the streets than silent cities.

[TheVedis]

I think (hope) the term "inconsiderate roleplayers" was meant to single out those role-players that don't consider other people when using the hell out of say and shout. Not to describe the entire population as inconsiderate.

it is

alot of us have no issues with RPists in general, but we take offense to them doing their full on sessions in the middle of the most populated parts of town just for the sake of making sure everyone can see what they are doing.
this is where we find them to be incosiderate, early on alot of them were pretty bad about this at the various camps too, broken water for example they would stand right on top of the crystal so everyone at camp could see them
after some trolling of them on some of our parts(you all know what i do lol) they moved just out of say range of the crystal, to where they were in camp, but not "in" the middle of camp so that everyone didnt have to watch what they were doing.

and yes, emote spamming by anyone and some of the nonsense spamming that goes on is in the same level as what i find RPists to be doing as inconsiderate.


as far as what some people are saying, taking it a step further to the stupidity level that no one should be allowed to use say or shout if they cant, is just retarded

people who have community conversations in shout/say are not the issue, those conversations are usualy short, and more of a passing by type deal, or just to keep people actively talking to each other

alot of what happens with the RPist community can be done in their own linkshell or in tells, but instead of doing that, they will take it to say or shout so that they have an audience

THAT is the problem when people are calling it inconsiderate and rude

[Ianeira]

While having a filterable /rp chat channel would probably resolve a lot of these problems - and I absolutely applaud the spirit of the concept - I'm not sure how practical this is from an administrative standpoint. If it operates just like /say, I'm sure a number of non-RPers would be inclined to make use of it for other purposes. And if it were only available for one server, I'm sure that would create additional issues as well.

Regardless of whether a RP server is designated or not, the problem of where the line is drawn between what's considered appropriate dialogue along public channels and what's considered inappropriate chat-spam is going to vary from player to player based upon their own individual preferences - and that doesn't just go for RPers either. Filters and blacklists are only going to go so far in being able to alleviate this for those people who find it distracting or annoying. On the other hand, role-players are paying the same rates to enjoy the game in their own way as well.

As I said in an earlier post, I firmly believe that the vast majority of us as RPers are polite and perfectly happy to take a public discussion to more private channels or another location if it becomes clear that someone is being bothered by it in some way, and respectfully asks us to do so. I think as long as people on both sides of the fence are respectful and tolerant of each other, there really shouldn't be any issue. It is a two-way street, and as RPers we don't know that we're bothering anyone unless we're told so. It seems fair to say that most of us just seek to peacefully coexist, but some sort of official acknowledgement or recognition that "Neo-Besaid" encompasses a large population of role-players would go a long way towards bringing more support to the existing RP community while allowing those that are offput by it to roam elsewhere.

As a footnote, there are certain instances where RP along more private channels is not always practical for us. RPers now exist and interact across a variety of linkshells, so once in awhile /say needs to be utilized. In every case I've been involved with something like this (and admittedly there haven't been many), I (and most I've known) have either tried to form a party if we're in a congested area or otherwise steer the group somewhere less crowded if forming a party isn't possible.

As a footnote to that footnote I feel I should also point out that public role-play has at times been a boon to the RP community. I know a handful of us "became" role-players after walking by some ongoing RP and becoming intrigued in what was going on (in spite of the stigma it's not all "bad dramatics"). In my experiences this has always happened in out-of-the-way areas where nobody normally congregates but people may run through to get elsewhere.

[Majidah]

it is

alot of us have no issues with RPists in general, but we take offense to them doing their full on sessions in the middle of the most populated parts of town just for the sake of making sure everyone can see what they are doing.
this is where we find them to be incosiderate, early on alot of them were pretty bad about this at the various camps too, broken water for example they would stand right on top of the crystal so everyone at camp could see them
after some trolling of them on some of our parts(you all know what i do lol) they moved just out of say range of the crystal, to where they were in camp, but not "in" the middle of camp so that everyone didnt have to watch what they were doing.

and yes, emote spamming by anyone and some of the nonsense spamming that goes on is in the same level as what i find RPists to be doing as inconsiderate.


as far as what some people are saying, taking it a step further to the stupidity level that no one should be allowed to use say or shout if they cant, is just retarded

people who have community conversations in shout/say are not the issue, those conversations are usualy short, and more of a passing by type deal, or just to keep people actively talking to each other

alot of what happens with the RPist community can be done in their own linkshell or in tells, but instead of doing that, they will take it to say or shout so that they have an audience

THAT is the problem when people are calling it inconsiderate and rude

Here's a thought: Instead of trying to force people to use say for what you deem fit, why not use your party/linkshell/tell channels instead of your general one? Besaid was great when it started and you could see people role playing everywhere. I can't believe people would actually defend trolling them. It makes me sick. Live and let live man.

[TheVedis]

Here's a thought: Instead of trying to force people to use say for what you deem fit, why not use your party/linkshell/tell channels instead of your general one? Besaid was great when it started and you could see people role playing everywhere. I can't believe people would actually defend trolling them. It makes me sick. Live and let live man.

but i troll them in a way that could almost be considered roleplaying itself

so :P to you

its fun, and if they dont wanna deal with it they can take their own advice and move on somewhere else where they dont gotta hear me(which lets me not hear them either which solves the problem lol)

[Kyri]

*In a dim lit room above the streets of Uldah*
Kyri walks in the room, dropping her pouch at the door, tired and flabbergasted at the sheer stupidity of some people. "Why.. Why did I ever decide to come to this drunken city.. in the middle of nowhere with nothing to see but sand and public acts of stupidity..." She sighs as she sits down, shaking the red dirt out of her shoe. Thinking over her two hours in the streets she is appalled by the lack of common sense that seems to have bred its way in the city.

No sooner had she stepped outside was she shocked at the attitude of a Miqo'te calling herself "Apple" began laughing hysterically while a group of half naked men pranced around her. Trying to avoid the strange, gathering she decided to walk around them, keeping her distance. No sooner had she gotten out of distance to the strange party(though still hearing that crazy laugh that just wouldn't stop) A tall, bare-chested man in a black skirt stepped in front of her, pulling out a sword with.. was that a moogle on the tip? surely it was! The strange man continued to pull and put away his sword, thriving on the mewling sounds coming from the poor creature on top of it. Letting out a yelp and running away from the strange man, Kyri found herself in the middle of a market, standing at the bottom of a large set of steps. Here, people were laughing about, mocking each other, one person pointing and shouting at a Hyur woman with long brown hair and a large hat, repeatedly calling her a "bot"..? was it?

To the left came a large fella, screaming at the top of his lungs over and over, repeating the same two sentences like a mad doomsayer. I thought he would stop but I can still hear the shouts.. once and a while when the wind picks up. To this strange man another man started to shout back, apparently wanting a fight with this crazed.. repeating doomsayer. I felt it best to continue walking away, not wanting to see where it lead.

A Dunesfolk came up behind me ,startling me out of her mesmerized trance of watching the strange going ons on the street. "Your pretty lady.. but arree you a lady?" the strange man whispered at me. Appalled I blurted out, "Of course I am!" He smiled mischievously at me and showed me a picture of.. my god was that my undergarments???? and the face of one of the crazed men prancing around the laughing lady by my rooms?! I grabbed the picture and angrily asked the man where he found such a thing. "Why that FFXIVPRO shop.. they have it posted right up there for the world to see.. may I say Id like to see what else you got there miss-" He got no further before I pelted him with my staff and ran off, looking for these "Pictures", wondering how in hell they came to be. When I finally found the place mentioned sure enough this fellow had various scandalous pictures strewn about. I took mine down and fled, knowing he could probably make more if he wished.. but he would not have this one.

Scared and alone trying to make it back to my room safely, I slunk around the streets avoiding all I could. Then in the middle of the street came two people talking normally.. speaking to each other with respect, I was about to approach them when the strange woman accused of being a bot pointed at them and began to yell at them for being "different" and to get that crap out of here right now" The two looked at the women and shook their heads, walking away, while the woman shouted "Ha! sure showed them!".

I barely managed to make it back to the room in one peace and a fear I dare not leave it again. What must I do to ask for a civilized conversation, to see that lining behind the clouds? Surely the whole world hasn't gone crazy.. right? But alas.. here I am at my window... The laughing women and her prancing males are still down there, it seems that a fight might break out amongst them and another group of people.. and if I listen carefully, I can still hear the doomsayer.. screaming down the street, "Ifirt party! experienced players only.. Ifrit party.. experienced players only.. Ifrit patry.. experienced players only.." with the occasional "**** you!" thrown in here and there as someone throws a word in his direction..

Surely the world hasn't gone mad... right?

*side note*
I posted this to show that it goes both ways. Why would I want a rp server? well the story explains itself. Just as you ignore us, we ignore you too, how could we not? even outside role play, the things going on in the streets of uldah are just.. stupid. You say we make a big deal, but do we? we ignore you a hell of a lot more then you do us(to those out to troll) and we do usually always go out of our ways to be away from the normal areas where trolls are likely to hide in the shadows.. or bot in the streets. This is for respect for you, and respect for us, but understand that just like normal all players seem to flock to uldah, so do we, we aren't different after all, we like to party, to fight, to socialize. But its not hard to ignore roleplay or send a tell asking someone who does it badly to go somewhere else. Usually the more annoying of the bunch are already blacklisted are they not? So lets grow up a little and realize were all just people trying to have some fun.