Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[linayar]

all incredibly niche hypothetical situations.

irrelevant really, and doesn't change the fact that the main two reasons for votekick remain being a detriment to the group, or being extremely unpleasant to play with. these are choices people make.



honestly just sounds like your system is just trying to protect bad team players from the consequences of their actions. talk about having the cake and eating it...

the current system works just fine. SE gives us a tool to remove potential detriments to the party, and honestly, the playerbase is pretty responsible in its use.

It doesn't need to be changed, especially not to where a single person can turn a simple votekick scenario into a vote abandon.

Have you actually been victim to or seen any of these reasons being the cause of a person being kicked? And if so what content were you doing when this happened?



Trying to make it harder to kick people when it's already hard enough can only really be taken as such though.

My proposed change does not protect bad team players or make it harder to kick them because, if the group agrees, they will still be kicked. In fact, it's even easier in some cases because the one being kicked also cannot use their friends to counter the voting. Like I said, it equalizes the voting field for all.

That said personally I can get behind your idea with the special vote, though I do think an easier system would be better. So how I would do it is if a vote to remove someone fails then the group has say a window any amount of time can do say 2 min that if the vote does not pass they anyone is free to leave the group without penalty. Would in practice have the same effect just minus the second phase of voting.

Unfortunately, that misses the point of the penalty in the first place, which is a penalty for potentially stranding your group mid run. The point of the second phase of voting is to clear everyone by abandoning the duty.