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  1. #61
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    Sophie_Lo's Avatar
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    Gryne Ghota
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    Mateus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Tower was probably the worst raid I've ever had the displeasure of running through. The staircases were disorienting to the point of nausea inducing, the Red Girl fight practically a flash-bang grenade blowing up right in front of my eyes, and don't get me started on "the plot." I enjoyed Factory immensely, and even enjoyed Bunker quite a bit, but Tower is the one raid in that series I will *never* join again. Not even the item drops are remotely close to making it worth a return visit.
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  2. #62
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    MorionQ's Avatar
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    Mimi Bellerose
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    Malboro
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Still haven’t run it. Too scared to.
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  3. #63
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    Arillyn's Avatar
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    Arillyn Lovesong
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    I'm prone to migraines and while this raid hasn't caused one yet, I already can tell that if my head is even slightly feeling like a migraine could happen that I can't run this raid then. Also, the staircases are disorienting. I did feel a bit of motion sickness from them.
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  4. #64
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I experience intense vertigo in a few specific specific fights in this game: Leviathan (Hard or Extreme) and Sophia (Hard or Extreme.) Also one of the Coils, the one with the elevator in it. Hell, even the moving elevator for Praetorium is sometimes enough to trigger it.

    I've never gotten an epileptic attack during those fights, but good lord the horizon going wobbly does a number on me. It was so bad that when we were farming Sophia for the mounts a few years ago I had to apologize to my (very understanding) FC group and tell them to just leave me dead.

    Thankfully, the Tower hasn't caused me any problems yet.
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  5. #65
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    Avellin Adorel
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by gotaname1 View Post
    I do wonder how people react to the RDM LB if Im reading this since that one always makes me feel uneasy. I didnt have it with the raid on that level though. But I would like the option to turn down visual fx. If I could just tun of rdm lb, I'd be so happy.
    I react to that the same way I react to the SMN and BLM onces... &^^$%#@$ I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING!

    Flashing strobe lights don't bother me though. =/
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  6. #66
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    Asuka Suzuhana
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    Moogle
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise-chu View Post
    ...

    Sorry for the novel but I wanted to explain in detail. My questions are:

    1) Has anyone else experienced this after playing Tower?
    2) Have you needed medical attention after playing Tower?
    3) If you are diagnosed with epilepsy, what do you do to protect yourself from the particle effects in this game?
    4) If you are diagnosed with epilepsy, are you going to play any of the Nier raids or risk Tower at Paradigm's Breach?
    If you vomit while playing video games or even just that particular raid, consult your doctor. This is usually what happens to epileptics. There are different levels of sensitivity.

    I don't have any problems with FFXIV content and I'm not epileptic.
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  7. #67
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    It's like they learned absolutely nothing from Mt. Gulg, the other bright white instance that they had to change later because people were having issues.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #68
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    GenBroadaxe's Avatar
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    Roehaswys Brodansawyn
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    Diabolos
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki34 View Post
    If you vomit while playing video games or even just that particular raid, consult your doctor. This is usually what happens to epileptics. There are different levels of sensitivity.

    I don't have any problems with FFXIV content and I'm not epileptic.
    Just because it bares clarification, epilepsy is a diagnosis for having two or more seizures without identified triggers. If certain frequencies of flashing lights trigger seizures, then you have a photo sensitive seizure disorder. Vomiting is rare during seizures and generally what people are seeing is spit or phlegm coming out since your whole body is seizing up. If someone is experiencing nausea and vomiting while playing that may be more indicative of some sort of motion sickness or possible photosensitivity. Certain medications can make a person more sensitive to bright lights, not seizure inducing, which can cause migraines. It might also be worth looking at other external factors like levels of hydration or lack of sleep.

    There's a loads of reasons that this particular raid can be causing people discomfort but from my two runs, I personally didn't see anything that I'd worry about as someone who has photosensitive seizures.
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  9. #69
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    Mother Kos
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    Hyperion
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    It's like they learned absolutely nothing from Mt. Gulg, the other bright white instance that they had to change later because people were having issues.
    That's what I'm feeling from all this. The entire tier is such an eyestrain. You can have your bleak and monochrome environments without it being like this. Looking at the game in general, though, SE has such an aversion to color and color theory.
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  10. #70
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    Riamara Skye
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    Marilith
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    I have ALL effects off cept for those my character generates and had no issues whatsoever.
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