Dizzines & Intense Nausea while playing Tower at Paradigm's Breach

[Rosenoire]

Given how many people are reporting issues with this particular raid, is there a thread we could post on to bring it to the devs' attention?

[Shibi]

Given how many people are reporting issues with this particular raid, is there a thread we could post on to bring it to the devs' attention?

This one. If it stays active with reports of different people feeling nausea/strain/dizziness/headache it should be noticed.

The only other way will be for a higher than normal number of people to drop and leave when they get it randomly - which shows up in metrics and causes an investigation.

[Rise-chu]

Given how many people are reporting issues with this particular raid, is there a thread we could post on to bring it to the devs' attention?

At the moment, this is that thread. So if you encounter anyone online that's had issues with this raid then you can ask them to come here and post in it and give their testimony. It's good to have concrete data for Square Enix to review. Also for my personal curiosity as I want to know how many people this actually affects.

I've had photo induced seizures since I was in middle school (funnily enough, the ones in front of a computer have all been in front of word processing software vs video games) but I haven't experienced anything at a frequency in the Tower that would have triggered mine. My twin and I both have them, so LED monitors were pretty much a much have as soon as they became affordable since the refresh rate on old CRT refresh rates seemed to be our initial trigger, but slower things have done it too like sunlight flickering through trees while on a bus.

The lack of contrast might be causing eyestrain in some folks which can cause migraines among other sorts of physical discomfort like dizziness. Had a friend who experienced something similar in the Kholusia areas before you get rid of the endless light weather and in the second half of the Mt. Gulg when you're surrounded by white enemies on a white marble background. I always get disoriented a bit in Aphascape 1.0 with the Bowels of Agony attack where the arena goes black, so maybe this is something similar?

The worry of seizures is definitely understandable OP. If this is something unusual for you, it may have been something compounded with other things like dehydration, eyestrain, or lack of sleep. If it's something you're noticing on the regular, it could be an indicator of needing to see an optometrist or a neurologist. Stay safe!

Appreciated. The severity of the incident was disturbing, but also unusual...the last time this happened was over 10 years ago. Not sure what to make of that though I'm still planning to bring it up with my guy soon. If nothing else he can give me more information.

[Lanadra]

Given how many people are reporting issues with this particular raid, is there a thread we could post on to bring it to the devs' attention?

There is, this one.

[Stanelis]

When you try to imitate Wildstar's raids you also imitate the motion sickness that occured there x)

[Dzian]

Newer content can make you dizzy just because of how much stuff goes on outside the actual arena so your forever spinning ypur camera round to try and see everything. It's not exactly fun.

Simply being able to zoom out further would help reduce alot of that I feel. As it reduce the amount of camera spinning you need to do to try and see things

As for the color blindness thing someone mentioned. What exists in game is actually pretty good for the most part. And it does help a lot. However they could do more definitely. Sometimes I struggle in Castrum because the water ice and thunder orbs can all look the same color especially with all the other effects going off. It,d be cool if they were more distinctive.

Ironically theres a boss in one of the 50 dungeons. Might be wanderers hard I don't actually recall. But he does that sacred standard thing. And I find that mechanic is well designed because even if you can't identify the colours they're all still easily identifiable by shape.

It would be nice if more of the games mechanics followed that example. Make the orbs in castrum a different shape or put distinctive markings on them. A big water drop on the water one. A snow flake on the ice one, a thunderbolt on the lightning one.. make them more distinctive than just blue blue and blue.

They do admittedly have very faint auras but they can be hard to see when you have Doton circles healer bubbles, giant bahamuts and lots of explosions going off.

[XiXiQ]

Simply being able to zoom out further would help reduce alot of that I feel. As it reduce the amount of camera spinning you need to do to try and see things

This is very true, the camera is too tight, the monsters enormous, some too large/high to even target without camera gymnastics. Then there's all the spinning for those "hey, something going on behind you, look for the jack-in-the-box" mechanics.



A wider view is required. I've always suspected some people have managed to hack this, I have seen videos where I wished I could pull the view out that far.

[Riardon]

Too much white overall fatiques my eye.
There is deffinetely something that tires my eyes during this raid.

[Arkevorkhat]

*snip*
1) Has anyone else experienced this after playing Tower?
2) Have you needed medical attention after playing Tower?
3) If you are diagnosed with epilepsy, what do you do to protect yourself from the particle effects in this game?
4) If you are diagnosed with epilepsy, are you going to play any of the Nier raids or risk Tower at Paradigm's Breach?

1: Dizziness and Nausea, no, migraine headaches, yes.
2: Not yet.
3: Not Diagnosed, but as far as I can tell, even if one were willing to violate the Terms of Service and modify the game, it's functionally impossible to remove the VFX from those attacks.

Additionally, is there any chance we could get a response from the community team regarding these problems? Even if the dev team doesn't think this is a big deal, hopefully SE legal should realize that this opens them up to liability.

[Feronar]

I once had astigmatism, but had surgery to repair it when I was very young, maybe 3 or 4 years old. I personally haven't had any problems with this raid, but I can see how it would cause trouble for other players. Square-Enix should probably do the following:
- Tone down any flashing and flickering effects that are likely to cause problems, particularly with the Red Girl fight.
- Lower the overall brightness and increase the contrast of the zone.
- Add a grid texture to the plain solid grey/white floors and walls in the "Tron world" areas of the raid (I.e. first 3 bosses).
- Slow down the elevator. I've noticed the elevators in the Praetorium are slower, and I haven't noticed anyone complaining about motion sickness there.

In the mean time, until work is completed and the fixes are released:
- Temporarily remove the Tower at Paradigm's Breach from the Alliance Raid roulette. Players wanting to do that raid will have to queue for it specifically and directly (I.e. Duty Finder > Shadowbringers Raids > Tower at Paradigm's Breach).
- Put up a notice on the launcher that players have to click through, warning players that the Tower at Paradigm's Breach has been reported to cause symptoms in certain players, apologizing for the problem, and saying that fixes are in progress and expected to be completed by (date).