"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[Callinon]

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

Yeah, really often I see the "meta" get blamed when someone is actually just terrible at playing their class.

It's not the "meta" that says a BLM should be using Enochian
It's not the "meta" that says a NIN should be using ninjutsu
It's not the "meta" that says a BRD should sing

It's not the meta pointing out that players playing those classes and not doing those things... are bad at their jobs. That's just basic class mechanics and has nothing to do with the meta.

Here's what the meta IS: "we don't want you in our party because GNB is bad" or "we don't want a SCH healing because AST increases our raid dps by more."

"BLM please cast fire" is not the meta horning in on your playstyle.

[Penthea]

Yeah, really often I see the "meta" get blamed when someone is actually just terrible at playing their class.

It's not the "meta" that says a BLM should be using Enochian
It's not the "meta" that says a NIN should be using ninjutsu
It's not the "meta" that says a BRD should sing

It's not the meta pointing out that players playing those classes and not doing those things... are bad at their jobs. That's just basic class mechanics and has nothing to do with the meta.

Here's what the meta IS: "we don't want you in our party because GNB is bad" or "we don't want a SCH healing because AST increases our raid dps by more."

"BLM please cast fire" is not the meta horning in on your playstyle.

People who complain about those comments coming from elitist meta players don't know what meta comments are actually like.

This is what a meta elitist comment actually looks like: "lol you're playing <class>? It has the lowest dps in the game, reroll instead of making people work harder for your bad choices"

And elitist meta players would say the above even if the person in question is actually playing their class very well.

It is not elitist to expect people to be able to meet the requirements of normal mode content if they have lost their sprout tag a long time ago. It's called normal mode because it's an attainable degree of performance by almost everyone. It is very rare when someone cannot possibly meet the requirements for normal mode.

[linayar]

Really, the fact posting a parse is grounds for GM intervention and not people intentionally holding up a run based on "you don't pay my sub" says all you need to know about which groups toxicity is more of an issue.

Based on that, the answer is obviously the group that needs GM intervention. That's the one that's considered to be an issue.

All semi-joking aside, though...

It is very rare when someone cannot possibly meet the requirements for normal mode.

This is my experience as well, which is why I think both sides are overreacting for the most part.

[LisSquid]

Based on that, the answer is obviously the group that needs GM intervention. That's the one that's considered to be an issue.

Then we are in agreement, then :P

Case still stands that it's absurd to think it is happening enough to warrant the OP opening several threads about it.