"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[LisSquid]

According to Final Fantasy XIV players, the average Final Fantasy offline player would seem to be a "you don't pay my sub toxic casual" who parses badly and didn't read a guide for Chrysalis while enjoying the story.

Now this is hyperbolic to an extreme. I am going to need some serious examples of this happening. I've mentioned in another thread that I basically play with a severe disability, and have yet to see any kind of serious toxicity thrown at me during some of my biggest blunders in EX+. Yet you're seeing toxicity in Chrysalis type content? Content that you can roll your face across the keyboard and complete? Even getting Titan in the duty roulette can be completed by two people. It is the rare occasion someone is going to throw around "git guds" in such content.

Perhaps, instead of making big boogeyman threads about the Scary Elitist Players you put your feelers out into the actual community. Enough of this info-loop of "Savage raiders are mean and nasty and ruining the game for me." I can almost guarantee you will not encounter these people if you are playing just for the story and exploration. They are in an entirely different part of the game.

[Vahlnir]

There's a lot to discuss here, but I will probably focus on one thing.

But they the community turns around and says things like if you're not longer a sprout, you don't have room to make mistakes.

Yeah, no. I've never seen anyone say this, and I've seen a lot. Everyone makes mistakes no matter how long they have been playing or how skilled they are. Anyone who claims to be so perfect that they never make a single mistake is a liar. At most, I've seen people suggest that a person should know the basics of their job after a certain amount of time, and that I can absolutely agree with. The thing is though, that certain amount of time isn't the same for every person, and I understand that completely. I try not to judge too harshly no matter who's doing what, even if my patience is wearing thin.

[Jijifli]

Hard to beat the elitism of "don't play the game, you "s**k"".

Show me it.

Actually show me it.

I'm on your dang data center and quite literally get the same players as you. Show. Me. It.

Oh wait, how strange, you can't. Because the community, in honestly, is the opposite (Casual elitism). I've seen so many times someone is defended on the stupidest things, such as literally afking group content in the current patch, because it's not savage.

Yet not once have I, in 6 years, seen anyone say don't play the game.

[Provoke]

This is such a low IQ post it's unbelievable it has gartered this much attention.

[linayar]

Show me it.

They're probably referring to posts like these:

Finally someone said it. So for anyone saying savage or ultimate are hard, all I have to say is that you're a bad player. Git gud or uninstall.

Then dont play the game if you are not willing to learn the class mechanics. In a main line FF game if you don't learn the mechanics of the class/es you are playing you die, the only difference here is that people ill tell you, that you s**k.

[Jijifli]

They're probably referring to posts like these:

The first is from a common troll, the second only says that if you're completely unwilling to play, then why are you playing.

Sure, you can argue the second one, but it's not "You suck, don't play," It's "if you quite literally aren't going to do anything, why are you even here instead of doing something probably more fun for you?"

[linayar]

The first is from a common troll,

Uh, I'll take your word for it. Nevertheless, these responses exist.

the second only says that if you're completely unwilling to play, then why are you playing.

Sure, you can argue the second one, but it's not "You suck, don't play," It's "if you quite literally aren't going to do anything, why are you even here instead of doing something probably more fun for you?"

The problem is that it's responding to the first post, and I don't get an "if you aren't going to do anything" or a "not willing to learn class mechanic" mindset from that first post.

[Alaray]

To an extent, in a multiplayer cooperative game, there is a level of responsibility to be cooperative with your team.

In a solo game it doesn't matter, since at the end of the day, you're okay with what you're doing. But if you're doing, I don't know, some stupid "challenge" run in XIV by going Marauder past level 50 the ire you get is earned since you're just wasting other people's time and forcing the gameplay decision on them.

There's very few situations where I'll care enough to say something in chat, and usually then it'll be to give a pointer of "this is where you unlock your job, to receive your jobstone, so you can gain access to the expected toolkit of your role."

The most I tend to suggest is "you should rotate your cooldowns here, instead of blowing them all at once" or "we should be doing AoE attacks on this pull".

At least for stuff below the Extreme difficulty. Mostly since it's very difficult to actually lose in anything below Ex.

That said, I also wouldn't suggest a MMORPG to someone who prefers single player RPG games. Especially when XIV's story content has the minimum amount of gameplay in it to pass as a videogame in the first place. I'd prolly tell someone interested in only the story to just watch it via youtube or something.

[linayar]

That said, I also wouldn't suggest a MMORPG to someone who prefers single player RPG games. Especially when XIV's story content has the minimum amount of gameplay in it to pass as a videogame in the first place. I'd prolly tell someone interested in only the story to just watch it via youtube or something.

I actually feel that "minimum" amount of gameplay is what makes me enjoy FFXIV's story more. It's how I was able to get through ARR the first time around without any complaint. Plus, there's no substitute for watching your own created character.

Watching a youtube video for the entire long story would be boring in my opinion. I only do it for single player games that are done after a few hours.

[Penthea]

That said, I also wouldn't suggest a MMORPG to someone who prefers single player RPG games. Especially when XIV's story content has the minimum amount of gameplay in it to pass as a videogame in the first place. I'd prolly tell someone interested in only the story to just watch it via youtube or something.

I prefer single player rpgs and I adore this game. However I understand that when I play a mmorpg I'm not going to get the same experience as I do with a single player game. Even when I first played WoW, my first mmo, I didn't imagine it was going to be like a single player rpg. Knowing it's a multiplayer game was enough for me to understand it's going to be quite different.

And no FFXIV isn't the first FF game I played. Far from it. FFVII on the PSX was the first one I played which shows how long I have been playing this series and enjoying those sort of games did not negatively affect my enjoyment of any mmo. But I suppose it's because I don't go to multiplayer games expecting a single player experience.