"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[EirolOcarrol]

I feel bad for them at this point, I feel like their wasting their money on a game they're obviously not enjoying, but its not my wallet in the end.

I've been playing and enjoying Final Fantasy XIV since 1.0.

I'm not sure how criticizing metagaming or the idea of "casual elitism" means that I don't like Final Fantasy XIV.

[strawberrycake]

I've been playing and enjoying Final Fantasy XIV since 1.0.

I'm not sure how criticizing metagaming or the idea of "casual elitism" means that I don't like Final Fantasy XIV.

ANd as someone who has raided since coils, as someone who knows plenty of people in the ultimate community, I can tell you theres nothing to challenge. The Meta game only applies to when you;re world first progging and trying to clear week one. No raid group I've been in cared for meta, no cares for meta because they're skill carried them far enough, even in the group of people I know currently progging TEA, as their first Ultimate, they dont care for anything *meta* as you say.

If you, or people you know have ran into people like that, I can assure you plenty of people in the raiding community, Ultimate and Savage, think they're mean and toxic as well. And sorry this post does come across as if you've experienced a very toxic time in FF and have had bad experience after bad experience. If thats not the case I can admit I'm wrong. But if you think people are wrong for expecting a lot of the lazier players in this game to pick up their own slack, I think you;re wrong for seeing them as *meta* gamers, they just dont wanna deal with people who arent trying all the time.

[Penthea]

But if you think people are wrong for expecting a lot of the lazier players in this game to pick up their own slack, I think you;re wrong for seeing them as *meta* gamers, they just dont wanna deal with people who arent trying all the time.

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

[strawberrycake]

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

I agree, I'm very patient as well and hell, I take being around since the begiining srsly I wanna help when I can, but some people just wear that patience very thin very quickly.

[Seera1024]

I haven't had anyone complain about my skill level in game. I'm an ok player. I attempt to do my rotation, but I'm no where near meta. My main's a black mage and I've gone through the entire MSQ with her. I can count on one hand how many times I've placed my ley lines.

Was doing a trial roulette and got one of the Stormblood trials, can't remember which one, but it's the one where you have to pick up the bubbles in order to block an attack. Well, I remembered you had to pick up a bubble, but didn't remember which attack to use it on. Died every time she did that mechanic - which was three times.

No one made a single complaint about it. Not even at the end when I asked what kept killing me.

[Catwho]

I remember the first time I played through FFX, I stumbled hard on the first Seymour battle. Up until that point, the game had been a more glittery version of Progress Quest, with lots of really cool story in between.

Then you hit a boss fight that requires thought, strategy, planning, and even some mechanics. And you fail. And you fail again. And you rage quit and throw the controller. You ask a room mate for help. You try looking on the Internet for help. You buy a strategy guide from Barnes & Noble because this won't be the first time you struggle.

The offline FF games have their own struggles. Most recently, 7R has a nice optional "easy mode" to it for those who just want to play for the story, but XIV's default is Normal mode, which means you are going to occasionally encounter things in the main progression of the game that are not handed to you on a platter.

Last night in Delubrum Reginae, I saw an AST who just.... never casted anything? Never casted a heal, never casted a damage spell, and never casted a card. I have no idea what they were doing. Dodging, I guess, since they didn't die. But they might as well have not been in the group at all, for all the benefit they provided.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I agree, I'm very patient as well and hell, I take being around since the begiining srsly I wanna help when I can, but some people just wear that patience very thin very quickly.

I like to call it "infinitely patient, finitely tolerant."

[strawberrycake]

I like to call it "infinitely patient, finitely tolerant."

I like that, and yes it describes exactly how I feel about so much in PF lately.

[strawberrycake]

Look this nice community everyone praises FF14 stops at the party finder for Savage fights and getting this harmonious static group concept that was developed when this MMO was 7/8 of the way to being dead over 7 years ago is not my idea of fun. There is a good reason FF14 is not known for its raid content and this static stuff, memorizing 12+ min fights and maintaining perfect rotations to keep from getting yelled at is why.

You can paint whatever rosy picture you want but when it comes to Savage raiding that is easily the biggest turn off for most new players who would just go back to WoW if they wanted that much of a toxic experience. I avoid it and I am definitely not alone in that opinion. It is a night and day experience with this MMO that makes a lot of people stop trying.

If the high end communities goal was to drive as many people away from savage then they have succeeded without a doubt. There is a reason Delubrum Savage was dead content within a week and they had to change the rules for how to queue for it and it is not because the content was boring.

The easiest way to fix all of this for Square Enix would be to give HEAVY incentives for FC's to form into more coordinated raiding groups with bigger Savage raids of 16+ people. That alone would kill this static clique stuff you see and force people to organize into groups that see each other more often then once every content patch cycle.

SO make FC create statics to get rid of Statics, Heck yeah Brother /s

[Callinon]

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

Yeah, really often I see the "meta" get blamed when someone is actually just terrible at playing their class.

It's not the "meta" that says a BLM should be using Enochian
It's not the "meta" that says a NIN should be using ninjutsu
It's not the "meta" that says a BRD should sing

It's not the meta pointing out that players playing those classes and not doing those things... are bad at their jobs. That's just basic class mechanics and has nothing to do with the meta.

Here's what the meta IS: "we don't want you in our party because GNB is bad" or "we don't want a SCH healing because AST increases our raid dps by more."

"BLM please cast fire" is not the meta horning in on your playstyle.