"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[strawberrycake]

If your goal is to have me consider your opinions, you're not doing a very good job of that right now.

Your making a whole lot of assumptions, and incorrect ones, at that, about me and my opinions. And being needlessly hostile in a way that makes me much less receptive to what you have to say.
If anything, I feel a lot more emboldened and entrenched in my opinions right now, after reading your post.

If anything, it feels like you're proving my point. You're assuming I had a bad experience, and then proceeding to belittle me and said experience that you've assumed.
You're assuming that I don't claim that offline Final Fantasy games are easy. They are easy, and I don't think that's a bad thing. They're story first games. So you're supporting the point I'm trying to make by saying that.
Not sure why you would assume that hearing Final Fantasy is an easy video game series, a point I've been trying to make myself, would "break my heart". But I guess you were hoping to sound insulting and rude as you could manage. I expected as much when I challenged metagaming.

YOu've truly missed the point then, ah well

[Penthea]

YOu've truly missed the point then, ah well

I don't think they came here to listen to anyone's points. They came here to rant about some massive problem that for some reason only they are experiencing extremely often.

[strawberrycake]

I don't think they came here to listen to anyone's points. They came here to rant about some massive problem that for some reason only they are experiencing extremely often.

I feel bad for them at this point, I feel like their wasting their money on a game they're obviously not enjoying, but its not my wallet in the end.

[EirolOcarrol]

I feel bad for them at this point, I feel like their wasting their money on a game they're obviously not enjoying, but its not my wallet in the end.

I've been playing and enjoying Final Fantasy XIV since 1.0.

I'm not sure how criticizing metagaming or the idea of "casual elitism" means that I don't like Final Fantasy XIV.

[strawberrycake]

I've been playing and enjoying Final Fantasy XIV since 1.0.

I'm not sure how criticizing metagaming or the idea of "casual elitism" means that I don't like Final Fantasy XIV.

ANd as someone who has raided since coils, as someone who knows plenty of people in the ultimate community, I can tell you theres nothing to challenge. The Meta game only applies to when you;re world first progging and trying to clear week one. No raid group I've been in cared for meta, no cares for meta because they're skill carried them far enough, even in the group of people I know currently progging TEA, as their first Ultimate, they dont care for anything *meta* as you say.

If you, or people you know have ran into people like that, I can assure you plenty of people in the raiding community, Ultimate and Savage, think they're mean and toxic as well. And sorry this post does come across as if you've experienced a very toxic time in FF and have had bad experience after bad experience. If thats not the case I can admit I'm wrong. But if you think people are wrong for expecting a lot of the lazier players in this game to pick up their own slack, I think you;re wrong for seeing them as *meta* gamers, they just dont wanna deal with people who arent trying all the time.

[Penthea]

But if you think people are wrong for expecting a lot of the lazier players in this game to pick up their own slack, I think you;re wrong for seeing them as *meta* gamers, they just dont wanna deal with people who arent trying all the time.

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

[strawberrycake]

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

I agree, I'm very patient as well and hell, I take being around since the begiining srsly I wanna help when I can, but some people just wear that patience very thin very quickly.

[Callinon]

You don't need to be a meta player to get irritated when someone is being lazy or is playing significantly poorly. I consider myself to be a very patient player. I give people the benefit of the doubt if I see someone not playing very well. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying when I encounter someone who really is very bad.

Yeah, really often I see the "meta" get blamed when someone is actually just terrible at playing their class.

It's not the "meta" that says a BLM should be using Enochian
It's not the "meta" that says a NIN should be using ninjutsu
It's not the "meta" that says a BRD should sing

It's not the meta pointing out that players playing those classes and not doing those things... are bad at their jobs. That's just basic class mechanics and has nothing to do with the meta.

Here's what the meta IS: "we don't want you in our party because GNB is bad" or "we don't want a SCH healing because AST increases our raid dps by more."

"BLM please cast fire" is not the meta horning in on your playstyle.