"Play XIV if(cont)" and"you have a responsibility to" are not statements that coexist

[WoW]

Neither WoW mythic, nor savage nor even ultimates are tuned in such a way that require this extremely good coordination and rotation some elitists tout, it is literally just harder heroic which requires more effort than heroic, that's it, the room for error is still decently big, simply smaller than heroic.

Finally someone said it. So for anyone saying savage or ultimate are hard, all I have to say is that you're a bad player. Git gud or uninstall.

[kaynide]

If you are talking about that percent of a percent that do the hardest content..well there you go. You should be the best you can be. But praetorium? Get outtta here.

I'm not sure what game you’re honestly playing. I’m super casual and don’t have any heavy endgame/raid experience...but generally speaking my encounters with random players has been nothing but good.

And this includes my watching other players who endured my wife and her abysmal dodging skills. I don’t think she has lived through a single Titan fight since 2.0 game launch.

[Tommara]

If you are talking about that percent of a percent that do the hardest content..well there you go. You should be the best you can be. But praetorium? Get outtta here.

I'm not sure what game you’re honestly playing. I’m super casual and don’t have any heavy endgame/raid experience...but generally speaking my encounters with random players has been nothing but good.

And this includes my watching other players who endured my wife and her abysmal dodging skills. I don’t think she has lived through a single Titan fight since 2.0 game launch.

I agree.

Doing MSQ stuff using the Duty Finder, I've found players to be more than kind.

I haven't done high end raiding in this game, but I have in other MMO's.

If you're doing them with PUGs, you're doing it wrong.

[SavishSalacious]

Lots of moaning ....

Then dont play the game if you are not willing to learn the class mechanics. In a main line FF game if you don't learn the mechanics of the class/es you are playing you die, the only difference here is that people ill tell you, that you s**k.

[EirolOcarrol]

Then dont play the game if you are not willing to learn the class mechanics. In a main line FF game if you don't learn the mechanics of the class/es you are playing you die, the only difference here is that people ill tell you, that you s**k.

Reading posts like this, I am starting to realize why some fans of Final Fantasy are against Online games being included in the numbered titles.

Maybe they were onto something when they thought that prestige of being a numbered entry in the Final Fantasy series shouldn't go to an "MMO".

[strawberrycake]

The saddest part of your post is that you fail to realize that you dont have to be hardcore or even meta to be good at this game. As an MMO FF is literally one of the simplest MMOs you can play, just do your rotation and know how to dodge. Even when the game was harder in ARR, there still was never much Nuance. And if you're lvl 80, yes its expected of you to know and understand the game to not waste others time, its rude, its childish.

Because if you want to get into it, yes there is certain amount of casual toxicness in your post, and in FF in general, people who think its ok to not be doing a baisc 1-2-3 combo, or ok to literally not heal, or refuse to use tank mitigation, and thats what they teach you in the beginning of the game while lvling.

Or you bring up parsing, its sad to break it to you, but the FF dev team has literally created encounters where if you don't have a parser, you;re banging your head against the wall for longer then you should,frustratingly so. So don't even try to bring that up if you dont even undertsand what exactly the issue with that situation is, and how its actually bad on SEs part for how they handle that.

YOu also say RPG games shouldnt have hardcore aspects, again sorry to break it to you, the FF series over all is really casual compared to many JRPGs coming out of Japan in the modern day, even games SE themselves made back in its hayday as Square Soft had more hardcore RPGs then FF releaes, and Warcraft, like it or not, is a well known RPG series with a well known competitive scene, WoW the game FF is ironically using a template of (watch the noclip documentary) Is a well known MMORPG, that has more world building, more story beats, and a whole hardcore endgame.

Both single player RPGs and MMORPGs have and can be Both story driven world building masterpieces, and Hardcore time consuming games that require parsing information and things that are meta.

To end off, you are probably one of the most self important, and entitiled person I've seen in FF ina while , if you don't like it, unsub, the game obviously isnt for you. And while yes some people can be toxic, casual or hardcore, its not worth you literally spreading mis-information, or you being so stubborn that you make posts with limited knowledge of the game, 2 entire Genres of games, and that you say something as disrespectful as the dev team can't create a story driven world and a game that people can challenge themselves in.

[strawberrycake]

Reading posts like this, I am starting to realize why some fans of Final Fantasy are against Online games being included in the numbered titles.

Maybe they were onto something when they thought that prestige of being a numbered entry in the Final Fantasy series shouldn't go to an "MMO".

They're against it because they also probably suck at learning how to do mechanics and probably over lvl each boss fight because of it, and are mad they can't do it in an MMO

[SaberMaxwell]

Reading posts like this, I am starting to realize why some fans of Final Fantasy are against Online games being included in the numbered titles.

Maybe they were onto something when they thought that prestige of being a numbered entry in the Final Fantasy series shouldn't go to an "MMO".

Sounds like elitist gatekeeping to me to be honest, and people who say that tend to also say that every Final Fantasy past their favorite numbered title doesn't deserve the number, typically starting by saying XIII didn't deserve it.

He's not necessarily wrong with what he said but he was harsh about it. In ffxiv, you actually can scrape by without meeting a minimum skill requirement because of your peers, whereas in ffx for example if you can't beat Yunalesca then Billy The'fridge won't bail you out like he can in ffxiv's fight with Susano. You need to muster up your own skills and strats or you'll be hard locked at that bossfight. Like it or not though, being with other people does lay some responsibility that didn't exist before. With that said, the devs have been very good making sure MSQ and any required combat scenarios are relatively easy, so there isn't *much* responsibility if really any at all, chances actually are that Sir William the Electrically Cooled Box can solo challenges for you, to the point it's less energy to just do it than to argue. Stepping into challenge content like extreme or savage though, and definitely responsibility rests on everyone in there.

[strawberrycake]

Finally someone said it. So for anyone saying savage or ultimate are hard, all I have to say is that you're a bad player. Git gud or uninstall.

Yeah, Its all just a time sink really, learn the mechs by doing the fight over and over again, the hard part is always the time.

[EirolOcarrol]

Sounds like elitist gatekeeping to me to be honest

Hard to beat the elitism of "don't play the game, you "s**k"".

And the offline games are very story and exploration focused(well, XIII isn't exploration focused at all). There are entire video series dedicated to how overpowered you can get early in the game. In Final Fantasy VII, it's easy to get to a point where you can blow past even Ruby Weapon without any effort via lucky sevens. And in Final Fantasy VIII, all you need to do is grind cards and AP. The rest of the game practically plays itself if you get the right cards and GF abilities early on.

And in offline Final Fantasy games, there's no one there to tell you that you should stop playing the game because you're not good enough. I can't imagine that Final Fantasy IV would have been so much fun to people saying "git gud" or worse, "you're bad at video games, you should just stop" any time a person lost to the Magus Sisters. But hey, we have "git gud or stop playing video games" right here in our very own thread! It's little wonder to me after reading such, why offline gamers, and offline Final Fantasy fans, have a lack of interest in MMORPGs and don't want to give Final Fantasy XIV a chance, either. It doesn't sound like the amount of effort the average player put into Final Fantasy V is nearly enough for XIV gamers. And XIV fans don't seem interested in that demographic playing, either.

According to Final Fantasy XIV players, the average Final Fantasy offline player would seem to be a "you don't pay my sub toxic casual" who parses badly and didn't read a guide for Chrysalis while enjoying the story. It's hardly any wonder that such fans aren't so interested embracing Final Fantasy Online in kind.