What things annoy you?

[Daibunnie]

If it makes you feel any better, yes, the healers and people getting hit by mechanics are the main problem.

I mean, I'm not the one who has an issue with a rdm/smn not saving the group in a clutch.

It's not ALWAYS so cut and dry, though. I did a raid daily today where both healers died because one of the DPS got too close with the double-stackers and wound up killing 3 people. Now should those 3 people stay dead because one person made a mistake for 2 mechanic? I don't think so. So I raised them. Things went perfectly fine after that.

These one-off instances doesn't address the actual problem. Should rdm/smn use all their tools like any other job to help the party? Yes and no one is actually arguing against that. The problem is getting the blame for not carrying a group that made too many mistakes.

The annoyance is found from picking a class that has a raise and then deciding unilaterally that you're going to watch everyone die instead of play your class to its full potential and be a teammate, in fact being able to raise might be one of the reasons you were allowed to join the party/group.

Again, this sounds more like a group having mechanical issues than anything else. Are we talking about normal content where it doesn't matter if half the party is dead or ex/savage? It also literally doesn't matter in any content if you wipe a few times. If you don't want your time wasted, tell the people that are having issues in the first place to correct themselves.

This isn't an argument for bad healers or players though

The grip literally was "I find it annoying that rdm/smn doesn't raise when ppl are dead." If the party wipes because the rdm/smn didn't raise, then so what? You restart and hope people don't make the same mistakes from the previous run.

[hydralus]

If the party wipes because the rdm/smn didn't raise, then so what? You restart and hope people don't make the same mistakes from the previous run.

If this is the attitude then everyone may as well take raise off their hotbar, healers included.

[Daibunnie]

If this is the attitude then everyone may as well take raise off their hotbar, healers included.

Just like how everyone else made mistakes, the rdm/smn made the mistake of not realizing people were dead. No big deal right?

[hydralus]

Just like how everyone else made mistakes, the rdm/smn made the mistake of not realizing people were dead. No big deal right?

Making a mistake is fine. Refusing to raise because you just feel it's not something you should be doing is something else.

And as an aside, people still get yelled at for making a mistake. Nobody's immune to that.