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  1. #791
    Player
    Zfz's Avatar
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    Celenir Istarkh
    World
    Atomos
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Tanks who:
    • Don't position mobs. Especially those who just run into the middle of a pack and stays there, letting mobs spread around him in a circle, so that DPS AOEs can't hit half the mobs.
    • Don't establish aggro. Most packs are small enough (that's why we're all doing multi-pack pulls) that all tanks have enough tools to establish aggro on every mob without having to stop. Ranged pull on one at max range as you run in, switch target then AOE skill plus an oGCD attack as you pass through the pack, then switch target again and use the ranged pull. On the second pack, ranged pull one at max range as you run in, then switch target then AOE skill plus the oGCD AOE (if you have one) as you pass through the pack, and finally switch target again and use the ranged pull. Stop and turn around, and both packs should congregate around you. Adjust accordingly when a caster/ranged mob is among them. There's simply no excuse to body pull and never making any effort to establish even the slightest aggro. If you think tanks should "try to improve" by learning wall-to-wall pulls, than you necessarily have to agree that tanks should "try to improve" by learning to establish aggro without having to stop or take detours, so that DPS and healers can prep DoTs and HoTs along the way, which all help towards a more efficient run.
    • Half blind tanks. Tanks who run to the next pack or boss even though there's another mob behind pounding on your healer. Tanks who start the fight when the healer is still in a cut-scene. Tanks who ignore adds, espcially the second tank in a full party, wtf.
    Healers who:
    • Let DPS drop to critical health before healing. Yes yes we're not supposed to get hit but people make mistakes. You think your one GCD to throw out a heal is going to be worth more dps than an actual DPS? It's not.
    • Don't Esuna. Yes yes we're not supposed to get hit but people make mistakes. You think your one GCD to throw out an Esuna is going to be worth more dps than an acutal DPS who's silenced/stunned every couple seconds? It's not. Especially a BLM who may end up not being able to do anything for 10-15 seconds.
    DPS who:
    • Well it's hard for DPS to abe annoying specifically in a DPS way...they can be jerks but that's got nothing to do with being DPS, anyone can be jerks.

    EDIT: Seems quite a few people are not understanding my last point. It's hard for DPS players to annoy me because when I'm tanking, I'm always in control of all the mobs anyways. When I'm healing, I'm also not annoyed when someone gets hit or dies. There's very little a DPS can do to annoy me. Most of the times I find DPS being idiots to be more amusing than annoying. So I'm rarely annoyed by a DPS. Not saying DPS can't be bad. Just that they rarely annoy me.
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    Last edited by Zfz; 04-11-2021 at 08:05 AM.
    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  2. #792
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    Coletergeist's Avatar
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    Cin Aamon
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 95
    Idk if I'm stupid, but that BIG npc text on your screen when they talk and it's just in the way but you cant move it or get rid of it or nothing. Like can we please at least make it smaller and not in the middle of my screen please? Or just stop talking whoever I'm killing and just let me do my thing.
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  3. #793
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    Claire_Pendragon's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Claire Pendragon
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    DPS who:
    • Well it's hard for DPS to abe annoying specifically in a DPS way...they can be jerks but that's got nothing to do with being DPS, anyone can be jerks.
    geez, the bias in your post is crazy lol. The ending gave me a chuckle. At first I was like, man this person is being a bit TOO picky on very minor stuff thats almost unnoticeable if XYZ thing. Such as when i have hate as RDM, I just run to the spot the tank is going to be, (or is at) so the tanks AoEs hit the mob(s) that is/are hitting me. Sometimes sprint/displacement gets me there before the tank even gets there. And no, 2 GCDs + oGCD AoEs from a tank isnt going to hold hate over me every time, roughly 33% of the time Ill be at max hate before we get to the second pack of trash mobs, even if the tank stopped to use 2 GCDs in a row before running off. But I was like, maybe they arent being biased, and have legit complaints about DPS in the same manner. (Such as not using LBs at all, or ranged not using LBs in massive pulls, or ranged using LBs before melee. as a melee ive had this happen, im watching the bar, and and soon as i hear it ding, i press it, only for it to cancel, and i realize the ranged are doing it or, based on how trivial your complaints are, DPS jobs that have different rotations based on the number of mobs alive, but arent using them. an example was SB RDM, where you'd have 3 rotations, depending if it was 4+ mobs, 3 mobs, or 2 or less mobs All equally the same level of trivialness. Though I will say, DPS have gained far less responsibility than they once had, so theres less to complain about now, compared to years prior. But for the sake of continuing the trend, i will say Feint/Addle, and how DPS dont use them in trash packs/bosses. Or oGCD CCs like stun, or if spawned mobs are about to hit you before the tank for any reason, and u dont use arms length, and similar mitigation tools. And lets go to the tried and true DPS requirements we still see failed today.
    (1) Kill the adds.
    (2) And actually do reasonable dmg, rather than watching netflix.
    You can say the other 2 jobs have to do this, but like your comment about "not healing a DPS" and "the lost dps of a GCD to heal isnt equal", the same applies here. the DPS not doing these 2 are far more important than the tanks/healers not doing them. Its far more noticeable, and sometimes causes wipes, where as if the tanks/healers dont do them, it usually wouldnt cause a wipe in the same scenario.
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    Last edited by Claire_Pendragon; 04-10-2021 at 09:58 PM.
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  4. #794
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Finland
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    Character
    Reinha Sorrowmoon
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    I'm annoyed at myself for spending so much Gil just before they announced Gil sink mounts.

    Also not having enough time to play. I don't know how people manage to run out of things to do, honestly. I've been playing for 6 years and still haven't gotten all primal mounts from previous expansions, finished the slice is right or lords of verminion challenges, seen the last floor of HoH or completed all tank achievements. And I don't even raid or do anything competitive. Just as I manage to finish something they add 3 more pieces of content.
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  5. #795
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    Provoke's Avatar
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    Character
    Narcissus Arcanum
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    Why don't you like sprint?
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  6. #796
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    Coletergeist's Avatar
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    Cin Aamon
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
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    Dps who..

    Stand in AOEs and die consistently. Who don't meet dps checks. Who pull for newbie tanks because lack of patience. Dps who yeet themselves off platforms. Who don't know their rotation and doing shid damage making things run slower.

    Dps can be bad too.
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  7. #797
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    VictorTheed's Avatar
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    Victor Theed
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 90
    A RDM or SMN who won't raise, especially a RDM.
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  8. #798
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    Fland's Avatar
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    Character
    Fraemoht Grehaerzsyn
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    - afk-ers on top of summoning bell with their minions crowding it
    - people who tank the price of an item by a huge margin

    - no sign of more egi glamours coming
    - no sign of any fairy glamours coming

    - the lack of roegadyn children, the only one of the original arr races without children npc
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  9. #799
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    ItMe's Avatar
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    Character
    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fland View Post
    - the lack of roegadyn children, the only one of the original arr races without children npc
    ... are there Lala children?
    Where are they at? I wanna go see them <3
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  10. #800
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    SamSmoot's Avatar
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    Fugu Barr
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    Exodus
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    I can't play as, and likely will never be able to play as, an Ascian.
    Nah, I can do without having that big zit on my character's forehead.
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