Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A large chunk of the same people pushing for viera to be added to the game did so because they specifically wanted to see and play male viera, others were simply curious to see the mystery surrounding them dispelled.

FFXIV is not the game for this. It CAN still happen, but it would just make way more sense for their own games in Ivalice to expand on their own lore and show off Male Viera, instead of it being in an MMO that likely wont give it any real attention outside of...well, they are just here now, people wanted it, why they waited till now to show up...whatever...warrior of light is the exception...blahblah.

That seems like a minority though, not the majority. A majority however were upset, regardless of if he couldn’t say it or not, it’s the company at fault for doing it. It was getting people’s hopes up whether you want to believe it or not. A race is shown, it would be assumed it will come with both genders seeing as every race in the game had both genders at that point. It’s not like people’s hopes we’re just coming out of left field.

The size of the group is irrelevant. It still happened and it shouldn't have/Didn't need to to happen. Period. Im not condemning this thread, just the people that did it, and anybody who will convince themselves it was warranted on any level.
The community got their own hopes up and refuse to take responsibility in creating their own hype, and then attacked the devs over it. This assumption that Male Viera was happening was the communities doing, we have never seen one, so the idea that Viera might be genderlocked is easy to assume.

I double-down on my personal take that likely, he didnt answer, because he likely couldn't.
I could be wrong, Im just a consumer that plays the game, Im not a dev or a member of the corporation with any solid proof.

[SturmChurro]

Well, I've always thought many people have wanted bunny boys, for some... weird.. reasons. Specifically for things such as ERP and the mods to go with it, for you know what. It's very weird in that sense, and I know it's (unfortunately) true.

[BunniEclair]

FFXIV is not the game for this. It CAN still happen, but it would just make way more sense for their own games in Ivalice to expand on their own lore and show off Male Viera, instead of it being in an MMO that likely wont give it any real attention outside of...well, they are just here now, people wanted it, why they waited till now to show up...whatever...warrior of light is the exception...blahblah. .

I think you vastly underestimate XIV’s standing in the Final Fantasy franchise. It’s as good a place as any to introduce them. I’d actually argue it’s the best place, since XIV has more established lore for male viera than any of the other games with viera in them, as well as a fanbase that is particularly interested in them. They will likely get more attention here, along with more interest in any quests they happen to be the focus of. Why you think people should wait for a game that takes place in a setting that hasn’t been revisited in almost a decade is beyond me. That game isn’t coming anywhere in the near future.

It doesn’t have to have much more fanfare than the female viera suddenly being a thing. Attached a side NPC to them, give them some side quests and more lore and be done with it. Yeah the lore they have established is that they are even more reclusive than viera. But it’s not a beyond belief notion for players that just like their sisters, male viera can and do say “Actually I don’t feel like living by myself in the woods for the rest of my life. There’s a whole world out there. Bye!”

[BunniEclair]

Well, I've always thought many people have wanted bunny boys, for some... weird.. reasons. Specifically for things such as ERP and the mods to go with it, for you know what. It's very weird in that sense, and I know it's (unfortunately) true.

You can say that about any race that people want, and have wanted. Why it’s suddenly a fetish/ERP thing when it’s male viera is something that I can’t really make sense of.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think you vastly underestimate XIV’s standing in the Final Fantasy franchise. It’s as good a place as any to introduce them. I’d actually argue it’s the best place, since XIV has more established lore for male viera than any of the other games with viera in them, as well as a fanbase that is particularly interested in them. They will likely get more attention here, along with more interest in any quests they happen to be the focus of. Why you think people should wait for a game that takes place in a setting that hasn’t been revisited in almost a decade is beyond me. That game isn’t coming anywhere in the near future.

It doesn’t have to have much more fanfare than the female viera suddenly being a thing. Attached a side NPC to them, give them some side quests and more lore and be done with it. Yeah the lore they have established is that they are even more reclusive than viera. But it’s not a beyond belief notion for players that just like their sisters, male viera can and do say “Actually I don’t feel like living by myself in the woods for the rest of my life. There’s a whole world out there. Bye!”

My argument isn't how much attention they will get from the community, its about their actual lore being expanded on. FFXIV doesn't touch on their actual lore, so essentially its just...here they are. And it wont touch on why they remained hidden. Female Viera dont need as much attention, because alot of them in fact splintered from their culture, accepting the burden that they are outcasts and can never come home. Males dont have that lore explanation.
I could just be alone in the fact that I care about consistent lore building, and wont accept that just because XIV breaks its own lore, that its just fine if the same thing happens to another race that comes from another game.

[BunniEclair]

My argument isn't how much attention they will get from the community, its about their actual lore being expanded on. FFXIV doesn't touch on their actual lore, so essentially its just...here they are. And it wont touch on why they remained hidden. Female Viera dont need as much attention, because alot of them in fact splintered from their culture, accepting the burden that they are outcasts and can never come home. Males dont have that lore explanation.
I could just be alone in the fact that I care about consistent lore building, and wont accept that just because XIV breaks its own lore, that its just fine if the same thing happens to another race that comes from another game.

You act as if XIV has ever just dropped a new race and said “idk they’re just here now”. The viera have an entire part of the MSQ related to them and a whole village filled with side quests expanding on their lore and customs. The hrothgar have the entire relic line revolving around their homeland and queen, plus the GNB npc and his background. Raen and Xaela both had big roles to play in the main story, as well as entire maps filled with side quests about them.

We still have not seen the viera on the Source beyond Fran. It would be easy to introduce male viera here, either in a settlement or as a part of the resistance that Fran and co. have formed in Dalmasca. The world is in shambles next expansion, it would not be hard to explain why the male viera have come out of hiding out of necessity. How much more lore do you think they’d get in a non-MMO that they are incapable of getting in XIV?

[Bright-Flower]

Introducing male Viera wouldn't be that hard. SE writes the lore. They could easily come up with reasons for us to encounter male viera. And in terms of PC male viera, that's up to the players to determine for their own headcanon backstory.

Lore is not the reason we don't have male viera, and lore is not the reason SE isn't likely to add them in the future. It's really jus ta matter of what resources the dev team has.

[WhiteArchmage]

Well, I've always thought many people have wanted bunny boys, for some... weird.. reasons. Specifically for things such as ERP and the mods to go with it, for you know what. It's very weird in that sense, and I know it's (unfortunately) true.

People who play catgirls shouldn't throw ERP stones.

In more seriousness: like BunniEclair said, it's a non-argument. People want/would want any race for ERP, even lalafell. Saying "many people" is a strawman. "many people" want them because they like the race but don't want to play a female character, "many people" want them because they just want to see what the dev team does with them, "many people" want them to make the world feel more complete instead of "oh, you JUST missed him! He would have liked you!"

Female Viera dont need as much attention, because alot of them in fact splintered from their culture, accepting the burden that they are outcasts and can never come home. Males dont have that lore explanation.

Congratulations that's the same explanation the Males need, they don't need any other.

I could just be alone in the fact that I care about consistent lore building, and wont accept that just because XIV breaks its own lore, that its just fine if the same thing happens to another race that comes from another game.

Ok, again:

These are not the same Viera from the Ivalice Alliance games. You can tell by their faces, you can tell by their lack of claws, you can tell by their feet, you can tell by their naming conventions, you can tell by their societal structures (the males aren't solitary in XII, they just live in separate villages), you can tell from their Racial Gear (which should have been the average Eruyt Village but is instead Fran's particular outfit), heck, you can tell from THEIR EARS (Fran's sit more to the sides of her head, they point outwards more obviously). Anything that changes to the Viera Lore in this game will not repercute on Ivalice Lore, and Ivalice Lore is not binding to XIV Lore.

[Fukuro]

Introducing male Viera wouldn't be that hard. SE writes the lore. They could easily come up with reasons for us to encounter male viera. And in terms of PC male viera, that's up to the players to determine for their own headcanon backstory.

Lore is not the reason we don't have male viera, and lore is not the reason SE isn't likely to add them in the future. It's really jus ta matter of what resources the dev team has.

the only thing important to me is that matsuno is the main writer and somewhat has a say in the design of male vieras. i think he would be more than thrilled to introduce the males in xiv and to be working on xiv once again.

even though i would love to see male vieras introduced first in a new main ivalice series, i don‘t think that is ever going to happen.

that‘s why i think ff14 - a game that combines many elements of past ff titles - would be the perfect place to introduce them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

--You act as if XIV has ever just dropped a new race and said “idk they’re just here now”.
--How much more lore do you think they’d get in a non-MMO that they are incapable of getting in XIV?

--Viera isn't a new race, it comes from Ivalice which has had its own series of games under the Final Fantasy Name. Hrothgar and Au-Ra are new original races.
--There is a whole thing that could be explored and just a straight up explanation to the culture of the Viera that explains the male side. We know the Females, we know next to nothing about the males and why they seclude themselves from the outside world and the Females.

Lore is not the reason we don't have male viera, and lore is not the reason SE isn't likely to add them in the future.

Wasn't remotely part of the argument just FYI

the only thing important to me is that matsuno is the main writer and somewhat has a say in the design of male vieras. i think he would be more than thrilled to introduce the males in xiv and to be working on xiv once again.

even though i would love to see male vieras introduced first in a new main ivalice series, i don‘t think that is ever going to happen.

that‘s why i think ff14 - a game that combines many elements of past ff titles - would be the perfect place to introduce them.

Ive said many times in the past (I dont expect people I haven't talked to before to know this beforehand) that even though Im personally against Male Viera being put into XIV....Ill be on board if its done right, and there is a lore explanation, especially one that expands on the Viera. If Matsuno himself wrote them and/or co-writes and had a hand in Male Viera Development, I would be excited, because the creator himself would have more care put into it.
Not saying YoshiP or his team Couldnt do it, but Id like it more if it came from the original author.