RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[BunniEclair]

how we doing in here tonight, champs?

[Vahlnir]

Hold them accountable [i]while understanding they do not have the capacity.[i] it is NOT that black and white, my guy.

But then again, what can I say? It's like speaking to a brick wall with you.

This is one thing (maybe one of many, who knows) that they will never budge on. As frustrating as it is, it's usually best to just let it be and not engage in this particular debate with them. There are no winners. Believe me, I've tried. lol

[MilkieTea]

This is one thing (maybe one of many, who knows) that they will never budge on. As frustrating as it is, it's usually best to just let it be and not engage in this particular debate with them. There are no winners. Believe me, I've tried. lol

I know, it's still just so frustrating. Makes me want to take them by the shoulders and shake y'know?

[Awha]

Hold them accountable [i]while understanding they do not have the capacity.[i] it is NOT that black and white, my guy.

But then again, what can I say? It's like speaking to a brick wall with you.

Cause I do not get it, the same could be said for some adults they may not have the capacity just because you are of adult age does not mean you have the understanding and world experience of an adult. Yet we still vilify said adults cause it is easy, we offering suggestions they should have know better, they should have erred on the side of caution etc . . . fine that may we true but if the same could be said for an adult that may not be mature enough to understand the queues of the world why is that not the case for children?

Also I still do not get no one has really pointed out why holding a minor that willfully lies, seeks outs such attention to the point where they willfully mislead and lie to gain access should not be held accountable for their actions? Because they are a child? Shouldn't they have been taught better to know that willing lying to someone to gain something you want is wrong? Why is this behavior protected? Sure you may say we do punish them, but let us be real said punishment is not really a deterrent. It is a mild inconvenience at best in the moment compared to what an adult goes through. Our laws need to adapt and reflect the times. Minors are exposed to many elements that leads some to mature at a quicker pace then in the past, and connects them with a plethora of people with differing ages, maturely levels, sensibilities, comprehension and understanding of the world around them. Sure I am sure the amount of minors that willfully target naïve adults and pray on those with social and emotional deficits are few and far in-between. Though personally the fact that the possibility remains should be reflected not only in our laws but in our understanding as a society when it comes to such actions. I know it is hard for many to see but sometimes the minor is not the victim and should not be treated as such.

I know, it's still just so frustrating. Makes me want to take them by the shoulders and shake y'know?

Thing is not a single person has exampled the difference beyond, they are a child / minor and they do dumb shit that is part of growing up. I am sorry if I refuse to sit here and think a child / minor that willfully lies and deceives another person either in some attempt to be an adult or to just get people in trouble should be treated as an innocent and blindly condemn another without looking at the context, and even when the context is taken into account it often boils down to tough should have known better. When for all they we know they had no means to no better cause they did not have the life experience to tell the difference, read the cues or what have you.

To me it just does not seem like a good reason, and seems to be more so the case cause it is easier to handle when you just take age into account cause when you start to dig deep other methods may portray a child / minor as not innocent person and muddles the line between innocence's of a child and the great potential humans have to cause great harm and suffering.

[MilkieTea]

Cause I do not get it, the same could be said for some adults they may not have the capacity just because you are of adult age does not mean you have the understanding and world experience of an adult. Yet we still vilify said adults cause it is easy, we offering suggestions they should have know better, they should have erred on the side of caution etc . . . fine that may we true but if the same could be said for an adult that may not be mature enough to understand the queues of the world why is that not the case for children?

Also I still do not get no one has really pointed out why holding a minor that willfully lies, seeks outs such attention to the point where they willfully mislead and lie to gain access should not be held accountable for their actions? Because they are a child? Shouldn't they have been taught better to know that willing lying to someone to gain something you want is wrong? Why is this behavior protected? Sure you may say we do punish them, but let us be real said punishment is not really a deterrent. It is a mild inconvenience at best in the moment compared to what an adult goes through. Our laws need to adapt and reflect the times. Minors are exposed to many elements that leads some to mature at a quicker pace then in the past, and connects them with a plethora of people with differing ages, maturely levels, sensibilities, comprehension and understanding of the world around them. Sure I am sure the amount of minors that willfully target naïve adults and pray on those with social and emotional deficits are few and far in-between. Though personally the fact that the possibility remains should be reflected not only in our laws but in our understanding as a society when it comes to such actions. I know it is hard for many to see but sometimes the minor is not the victim and should not be treated as such.



Thing is not a single person has exampled the difference beyond, they are a child / minor and they do dumb shit that is part of growing up. I am sorry if I refuse to sit here and think a child / minor that willfully lies and deceives another person either in some attempt to be an adult or to just get people in trouble should be treated as an innocent and blindly condemn another without looking at the context, and even when the context is taken into account it often boils down to tough should have known better. When for all they we know they had no means to no better cause they did not have the life experience to tell the difference, read the cues or what have you.

[Vahlnir]

[Divinemights]

To me it just does not seem like a good reason, and seems to be more so the case cause it is easier to handle when you just take age into account cause when you start to dig deep other methods may portray a child / minor as not innocent person and muddles the line between innocence's of a child and the great potential humans have to cause great harm and suffering.

The simple and straight forward answer is don't bring that issue here when game is not rated M.
Don't care, not interest, and not our problem to deal with when SE already specifically said it is not allowed.
Not SE's job to investigate who is behind the avatar as they are not a legal institution.
Their measures are also simple and straight forward: they don't want to get in trouble with any legal institution
You can go argue all you want, ERP is not allowed and should never be allowed in a game not rated M

[Mirhd]

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It's honestly ridiculous how you try to portray me as someone who just doesn't "get" autism, when it's clearly the other way around. You have your singular (milder) experience, while I actually do understand what it's like to interact/care for someone with severe autism - and mild. People who know those with autism tend to know other people who are, or know/work with those with autism at various levels, honey. We aren't talking ADD, ADHD, Aseburgers, etc., (which are part of the spectrum, and something I'm also familiar with), we're talking "nonverbal, cannot do daily tasks alone, cannot live alone" severe, and I thought that was bloody clear.

Are you seriously going to claim to me you understand what it's like to not be able to go to the bathroom on your own/wear a diaper well past age 10? To at times, when experiencing sensory overload, attempt to knock your skull against a wall over and over? I absolutely despise the "wearing helmets" stereotype because it's often used to insult people, but sometimes those helmets are necessary. It's very difficult to safely bring someone down from that state, which is why you carefully try to divert their attention to something else before it ever gets to that point, but it doesn't always work, and it's freaking heartbreaking. For all your spew about me not understanding, it's the opposite. My view of the autism spectrum is much, much broader than yours, despite your claimed, singular (milder) experience, and I don't particularly care if it sounds harsh at this point.

This is one thing (maybe one of many, who knows) that they will never budge on. As frustrating as it is, it's usually best to just let it be and not engage in this particular debate with them. There are no winners. Believe me, I've tried. lol

What really gets me is that he acts as if it's somehow irrational or overly emotional to basically say kids are not mentally developed and "don't ----ing diddle kids". What the bloody hell?

[Vahlnir]

What really gets me is that he acts as if it's somehow irrational or overly emotional to basically say "don't ----ing diddle kids". What the bloody hell?

I don't think it goes quite that far. Credit where it's due and all that. I've debated with them enough that I truly believe that they believe what they are saying. I also believe them when they say they don't get it. And there is no reasoning with their...logic on this topic for that reason alone. That does make it so much worse though, in my opinion, compared to if they were trolling. Sadly, I don't believe that they are. This is the real deal.

Edit: Dang post limit strikes again.

He pretty much said it's just an overly emotional response where children are concerned, but I'll give you the last one. I really, really hope that isn't the case, but good-freaking-grief, he doesn't make himself look good, does he? Can't be bothered with him at this point. He's wrong on all accounts point blank, but he keeps insisting it's the other way around...

I missed that apparently, and they confirmed it themselves anyway. Welp, there went that credit.

[Awha]

The simple and straight forward answer is don't bring that issue here when game is not rated M.
Don't care, not interest, and not our problem to deal with when SE already specifically said it is not allowed.
Not SE's job to investigate who is behind the avatar as they are not a legal institution.
Their measures are also simple and straight forward: they don't want to get in trouble with any legal institution
You can go argue all you want, ERP is not allowed and should never be allowed in a game not rated M

I started bringing up the other stuff because someone brought up legality of the issue so it sort of went down a different track.