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    Can't wait for Yoshi-p to give you guys an awkward talk so you all stop pretending you're too dense to understand the rules lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobostew View Post
    Can't wait for Yoshi-p to give you guys an awkward talk so you all stop pretending you're too dense to understand the rules lol
    He'll probably be just as embarrassed discussing this as he was talking about character rears, maybe even more so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    He'll probably be just as embarrassed discussing this as he was talking about character rears, maybe even more so.
    The hand gestures will make it worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    The hand gestures will make it worth.
    What if he create this into real in-game emote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    What if he create this into real in-game emote?
    I would love that. Could use it everytime some weird in game question or drama happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    What if he create this into real in-game emote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Next emote please!
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  8. #288
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    ...
    Again, I have actually lived with/cared for a severely autistic person (which you clearly aren't, since you're typing on a forum, and I can't believe I have to point this out), and while you claim to be on the spectrum, you have zero idea what such a situation is like, as your (claimed) case it much less severe. A more mildly autistic person is perfectly capable of comprehending "this is illegal, so don't do it", so stop using it as a shield. That is NOT ok.

    Regarding the situation you claimed happened with your brother... If it did in fact happen, and as much as it may suck, that's on him. Err on the side of caution. If someone looks very young, don't. You don't just throw all caution to the wind and jump into the situation. By all that is good in the world, why does it need to be said over and over that a childs' mind is still developing, and that you can't just treat them as tiny adults? They do stupid garbage all the time, and they always want to feel/think they're more grown up than they are... Then, when they get older and look back on those days, they think "what the hell was I doing", or even worse "why didn't anyone try to stop this?"

    We have child protection laws in place to keep them from being taken advantage of as they have been throughout human history... Unfortunately, there are still those that slip through the cracks, even in more westernized societies. It's up to adults to prevent that from happening, NOT tell them "it's your fault this happened to you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirhd View Post
    Again, I have actually lived with/cared for a severely autistic person (which you clearly aren't, since you're typing on a forum, and I can't believe I have to point this out), and while you claim to be on the spectrum, you have zero idea what such a situation is like, as your (claimed) case it much less severe. A more mildly autistic person is perfectly capable of comprehending "this is illegal, so don't do it", so stop using it as a shield. That is NOT ok.

    Regarding the situation you claimed happened with your brother... If it did in fact happen, and as much as it may suck, that's on him. Err on the side of caution. If someone looks very young, don't. You don't just throw all caution to the wind and jump into the situation. By all that is good in the world, why does it need to be said over and over that a childs' mind is still developing, and that you can't just treat them as tiny adults? They do stupid garbage all the time, and they always want to feel/think they're more grown up than they are... Then, when they get older and look back on those days, they think "what the hell was I doing", or even worse "why didn't anyone try to stop this?"

    We have child protection laws in place to keep them from being taken advantage of as they have been throughout human history... Unfortunately, there are still those that slip through the cracks, even in more westernized societies. It's up to adults to prevent that from happening, NOT tell them "it's your fault this happened to you."
    Thing is sure children fall through the cracks, but the same can be said for adults that may not be as developed as their peers, yet for some reason the mentality aspect only applies to children due to their age. I do not doubt you have cared for many, but caring is one thing and differs from living with it. Sure my case may not be so serve and due to that I have been able to avoid many situations that could have lead to much headache. The aspect of this is wrong is not the factor, since once the truth came out my brother tired to correct the action. Problem is the deed was done, the fact you are saying err on the side of caution to a degree confuses me since that is the point. In cases like my brother he had no reason to not believe the person. She he was being naïve, but should we go around punishing gullible and naïve people and paint them with broad strokes because of their overall age? It is not always true that every person that is in the middle of the road in terms of ASD thinks or even can see through the signs of someone lying about their age, and is much younger then they appear especially when they in question also act in a much younger fashion then their overall age suggests.

    I have no issue, but the way you speak reminds me a lot of those that handled my ABA growing up always using broad strokes and thought everyone fits under the same neat little bubble. Each of us are different, we have different thresholds for understanding and comprehension that is why I say you clearly do not do understand what it is like. I will never understand what it is like to care for someone with any degree of ASD, but given how you paint in broad strokes it is also clear that you will never understand how it is to live with being ASD. It is not an excuse it is a fact that degrees of understanding and comprehension differ from person-to-person especially when it comes to those on the spectrum. Even with the basic understanding from right and wrong, still does not protect someone from people that could take advantage of gullible or naïve that mistake certain gestures more for more then what they are, or see through deception. The seeing through certain gestures is something I can attest to personally. Thankfully it is with people in my age range, but I have mistaken general banter to mean something more and have mistaken the signals and have made an ass of myself. I could honestly see how it is easy to misread situations, and going based off appearance is not something is easy to go off of. Especially when one may have a hard time finding connections as my brother did.

    If we protect children due to lack of understanding of the real world in terms of experience or lack of development, what can the same not be said for others that meet that criteria minus the age? I am not saying that we should go around and say any child that falls victim to such behavior online be blame. I am saying those that generally seek out such behavior and or lie about their intent the adult in question should not face the entire brunt of the punishment. Manipulation is manipulation to me no matter the age, and it should be treated as such. We are capable of using context for other things, yet for some reason when it comes to issues regarding minors we forgo all context and just look at the board details in some effort to not scar or damage the minor, yet we care nothing for the person that was victim of the minor. Because of this dated mindset of children are inherently innocent. I all I am saying is we equalized everything across the board for why we offer such protections the minors there would be no reason not offering the same protections to adults that meet the other criteria expect the age.

    I get it is an emotional response to protect children, and I am not saying that a child is all to blame for what happens to them, but I do feel they should be held responsible if they willfully lie and misguide an adult in some attempt to act like an adult then wants to be treated like a minor when consequences are baring down on them. I am not sure why holding those who willfully lie and deceive another person accountable is such a point of contention just because of their age. Granted I am also coming from an emotional side, I get the reverse is true for the other side. While I feel having one who was genuinely misguided or in other cases wrongfully accused is one too many, I am sure many on the other side feel making it any harder on the children to come out and speak up is one too many. Though I do think we as a society would still function if we treated willful deception or lying from minor to adult in the same vain as we treat it from adult to child when it comes to sexual encounters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    I get it is an emotional response to protect children, and I am not saying that a child is all to blame for what happens to them, but I do feel they should be held responsible if they willfully lie and misguide an adult in some attempt to act like an adult then wants to be treated like a minor when consequences are baring down on them. I am not sure why holding those who willfully lie and deceive another person accountable is such a point of contention just because of their age. Granted I am also coming from an emotional side, I get the reverse is true for the other side. While I feel having one who was genuinely misguided or in other cases wrongfully accused is one too many, I am sure many on the other side feel making it any harder on the children to come out and speak up is one too many. Though I do think we as a society would still function if we treated willful deception or lying from minor to adult in the same vain as we treat it from adult to child when it comes to sexual encounters.
    Hold them accountable [i]while understanding they do not have the capacity.[i] it is NOT that black and white, my guy.

    But then again, what can I say? It's like speaking to a brick wall with you.
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

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