Mentor Requirements

[Seraphor]

This is why I also said it should be reviewed just like a normal report. It shouldn't just be "tick tick tick too many reports you lose mentor". Enough people report you for bad mentoring someone takes a look at the logs and makes a call.

As mentioned in my post , hence the edit, by review. GMs will have standards to follow.

GM's barely have time to go through all the real reports.
Let alone all the Karen's complaining that their Mentor wasn't helpful enough.

[Seraphor]

Most of the time, you're given a slap on the wrist then sent on your way, and quite frankly if you can't act like a mentor in any given situation then you don't deserve the crown to be bluntly put.

Going back to the last statement, you have a crown, which makes you a beacon of advice for newer players and many intermediate players, so yes, mentors should be held to those standards moreso than other people if they are donning that crown. The sheer fact people treat it as a pretty little glamour system more than a genuine beacon of good advice for newer players makes my skin crawl, especially when those donning it tend to hold their fellow peers in utter contempt.

If you aren't prepared to be held accountable or be held to any standard whatsoever whilst using the crown, then all I can really suggest is going to- 'The Smith' then clicking on "Resign from being a mentor" - Because those that hold it as a status symbol more than anything else are largely to blame for the current state with which people view those as being a mentor. So, yeah, going to have to disagree here.

This is a game.
You are not on the SE payroll.
The Crown is literally a piece of glamour and that's never going to change. You're better off getting over it.

[Krotoan]

GM's barely have time to go through all the real reports.
Let alone all the Karen's complaining that their Mentor wasn't helpful enough.

Then more GM's are needed or a separate team needs to be made. Cruddy Mentors is a problem. I wear the crown to help but I've had a lot of people react badly to it without me saying or doing anything just because of the stigma around it.

Personally I feel the program needs to be scrapped and rebuilt.

This is a game.
You are not on the SE payroll.
The Crown is literally a piece of glamour and that's never going to change. You're better off getting over it.

The fact you feel so shows how badly the implementation went and shows how much we need to add some accountability and checks to it or to just get rid of it.

People react badly to advice anyway, whether you wear the crown or not.
People will find any reason to reject advice, or help, if they don't want it.
Being able to 'report' Mentors for 'not being helpful enough' is a disaster begging to happen and will only cause more work for the already thinly stretched GMs.

Did you catch the part where they instantly reacted badly to it even though I hadn't said anything? It's not the advice.

[Seraphor]

Then more GM's are needed or a separate team needs to be made. Cruddy Mentors is a problem. I wear the crown to help but I've had a lot of people react badly to it without me saying or doing anything just because of the stigma around it.

Personally I feel the program needs to be scrapped and rebuilt.

People react badly to advice anyway, whether you wear the crown or not.
People will find any reason to reject advice, or help, if they don't want it.
Being able to 'report' Mentors for 'not being helpful enough' is a disaster begging to happen and will only cause more work for the already thinly stretched GMs.

Did you catch the part where they instantly reacted badly to it even though I hadn't said anything? It's not the advice.

It doesn't 'badly need' any of that. You simply want it to be more than what it is, you want it to be something its not.
It's noble in principle, but you're being an idealist, it's not practical.

[Jeeqbit]

I agree that trade mentor is too easy to get. Sprouts frequently get it before starting shadowbringers just to stay in the Novice Network (we should just let them stay in there until 5.4).

The battle mentor requirements are currently a sufficient deterrent and most people that get it are genuinely experienced players, but I would not mind further increases.

The Following recommendation would be as follows:
- 20 Mentor Roulette a week
- 15 Commendations gained a week

This would should that the Mentor is currently active and is assisting the Sprouts as they are directed.

I do not agree with this. A battle mentor can provide advice in the Novice Network all week without doing a single piece of content that week (I've done this) and sprouts deeply appreciate the answers.

20 mentor roulettes assumes that mentor roulette is unlocked, which is not always the case if they don't do extremes or bother with extremely long side questlines like Hildebrand and the ARR relic weapons. I've been so busy with other content in the game that I've never really got through much of Hildebrand.

15 commendations is steep and would put a big weekly pressure on you to farm commendations and this game doesn't normally try to pressure you like that. A monthly requirement may be better because then getting busy one week doesn't put you under such enormous pressure.

[Kaurhz]

This is a game.
You are not on the SE payroll.
The Crown is literally a piece of glamour and that's never going to change. You're better off getting over it.

Yes, and those that take their mentorship as something genuine, and achievement, are lumped in the selfsame pile as those that view it as nothing and thus are treated as nothing more than a meme.

If you're going to tell me to "get over it" then all I can say in response to this is go find some other avenue to try and feel like a unique/special cub with the crown, one that doesn't misrepresent a genuine system or undermine those that see it as something genuine.

[Krotoan]

It doesn't 'badly need' any of that. You simply want it to be more than what it is, you want it to be something its not.
It's noble in principle, but you're being an idealist, it's not practical.

It literally was a program meant to help unite people who were willing to give advice and guidance and those who were looking for it. Not a cosmetic. Not a badge you wear for status. Your insistence that it is so shows that failed. It needs either work, or to be removed.

[MiriRynendaith]

Honestly, Kaurhz that is a really good recommendation for the completions. however I would bring it down to maybe the II.

[MiriRynendaith]

I think what is being insinuated here is that a good chunk of mentors have no business being a mentor when they're utterly 'toxic' about other players in the game. Be it being utterly useless, or unhelpful, or donning a disrespectful attitude..

Call it.. Making mentors more accountable.. Permanently stripping the crown for being a clown repeatedly.

Yes, this is the main reason. We have no way to hold people accountable, in which Novice Network even the sprouts sometimes feel threatened or scared to ask a question.

[Kaurhz]

Honestly, Kaurhz that is a really good recommendation for the completions. however I would bring it down to maybe the II.

Thanks,

I wouldn't. My primary reason for this is because it puts you in a position where you need to have invested in the system itself, beyond doing basic or routine things. The more someone is, and has invested in a system, the more likely they are to understand even some of the more glaringly obvious intricacies. It barely scratches the surface of it, really- Making it that lenient.

Yes, this is the main reason. We have no way to hold people accountable, in which Novice Network even the sprouts sometimes feel threatened or scared to ask a question.

I'm glad other people aside from myself have noticed how petty things can get when mentors are arguing about captious and slanderous things, in a chat as open as Novice Network- Which for many newer players would be their first point of major exposure to the community itself.