Blue mage shouldnt be "Limited"

[Koka-Kola]

If you're going to not-so-subtly snark about "simple math," you really ought to check your own. The highest DPS a Black Mage accomplished in Stormblood was slightly over 10k. No job ever came remotely close to 14k. Bear in mind, this is Personal DPS, thus it isn't taking into consideration how much the Black Mage was buffed by other players like logs do nowadays otherwise known as raid DPS. Which is another reason you'll see discrepancies in parses. Logs also don't account for DoTs properly when uploaded. Simply put, Blue Mage deals a lot more than is being properly represented.



And by comparison, White Wind is better than Vercure by an under of magnitude. This is a full heal so long as the Blue Mage is at 50% or higher. Have a Paladin Cover them and you guarantee a party wide benediction. You can't keep ignoring how incredibly powerful this is. You wouldn't need to spam it as most bosses don't use many raid wides to begin with. Two Blue Mages rotating that can both balance their MP and DPS while keeping the party healed. That type of versatility isn't present in any other job.

On the contrary, I did my homework .I have found several black mages posts with parses attached where they have parsed 14k and summoners who have parsed 11k.(posts were of 3 years of age) The math is already done for me. I just needed to compare the difference from 3 years ago to now.

White wind CAN be powerful but at the same time it is not.

It is in the sense of output but is far less efficient and cannot be relied on when you are putting out dps that your mp cannot keep up with. Lets say I DONT dps and I just tand back and spam it. then yes, however as a DPS you do not have the luxury to waste 1500 mp on it as often as redmage does with vercure or your MP will bottom out completely. It is not a FULL HEAL as it only heals with current hp. In order to heal a player they would have to be nearby and rather close as its range is limited. A stack would have to occur. Meanwhile vercure has more range. Hypothetically there is a healer mechanic where it drops the party to 30% hp. Blue mage would heal for 30% of its hp and those around it. Now if it were to drop blue mages hp to 20% it would only heal for 20% We all know mechanics out there that can drop your hp drastically.( A DPSing blue mage will not have enough mp to cast diamond back unless they withhold alot of their attacks) If a blue mages health drops below 50% it wont be a full heal and it will be costly none the less. There is no set value as comparing it to level80 tanks, it would take 2 casts from 50% hp to fully heal a tank(If they are withing range) costing 3000 mp. That alone is too costly.

[HyoMinPark]

On the contrary, I did my homework .I have found several black mages posts with parses attached where they have parsed 14k and summoners who have parsed 11k.(posts were of 3 years of age) The math is already done for me. I just needed to compare the difference from 3 years ago to now.

???

Three years ago would put us roughly in the middle of Stormblood (somewhere in the middle of Sigmascape’s tier). No DPS job was parsing 14k back then. Where are you even getting this data from? I’d love to see these supposed logs where BLM’s were hitting 14k in 4.x.

[Koka-Kola]

I (regretfully) cannot find the redit pose anymore so let's use a BLM's post of 8k without echo. As stated before on this thread, a solo blue mage pushed 16k and can burst 32k. that is with blues solo buff solo buff which doubles damage and healing. so without that buff it would be 8k (which I assume since this is first phase, used the instants not all at once) and burst at 16k (which I assume is all instant casts active) that would mean at tops it can deal 16k dps in a short succession or 8k in a long fight.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I'm not really sure what there is to debate here.

If a job is introduced as a "side thing", then that's stupid. An entire job class shouldn't be a mini-game. That's an insipid waste of resources. If you're going to implement something, do it correctly.

Stop trying to balance Blue Mage.

No. I think SE should be harassed to do their job correctly. Considering the buy-in and subscription model, they don't get the luxury of "Free game, don't complain." I expect competency. Not a lazy handwave. Tired enough of them butchering any class that isn't DPS, but now they can't even be bothered to fix something they broke? Please.