Blue mage shouldnt be "Limited"

[IsshinAshina]

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I didn't realise basic instinct was so strong. Also, they are in healer mimicry, change that to DPS minicry for the crit and DH boost, they will do more damage.

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Yes, one man with basic instinct > 2 men. Reason being BLU under healer spec can pop Gobskin that covers almost half of the HP (cuz the healing is doubled). One can kitchen-sink a stack mechanic with only Gobskin but have to DB with a buddy.

In my opinion, BLU is too weak on the tanking side. Currently we have two cds in solo, dragon force & chelonion gate (+DB of course) while battle tanks have 3 + 1 unique cd. I wish we could pick between tank and healer in a solo content.

[AnotherPerson]

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I didn't realise basic instinct was so strong. Also, they are in healer mimicry, change that to DPS minicry for the crit and DH boost, they will do more damage.

Nah, we don't go into DPS mimicry when soloing - you don't have the actual heal power to tank stuff if you wanted DPS mimicry other than white wind (which may not always be applicable when you take tankbusters in addition to the MP cost). Only reason BLU goes healer mimicry is because their heals are also 2x as strong - so pom cure becomes a 1000 potency heal in solo content and gobskin is a 500 potency shield instead of a 250 shield. Gobskin is a flat shield skill that doesn't scale off of healing, which is what allowed BLU to tank the burns in the first place in Phase 2 when you can't heal.

[Koka-Kola]

I (regretfully) cannot find the redit pose anymore so let's use a BLM's post of 8k without echo. As stated before on this thread, a solo blue mage pushed 16k and can burst 32k. that is with blues solo buff solo buff which doubles damage and healing. so without that buff it would be 8k (which I assume since this is first phase, used the instants not all at once) and burst at 16k (which I assume is all instant casts active) that would mean at tops it can deal 16k dps in a short succession or 8k in a long fight.

so dps wise, blue mage is on par to late stormblood blm.

[Gruntler]

so dps wise, blue mage is on par to late stormblood blm.

16k is heckin mid-Shadowbringers level dps, bud. Only 3 parses got past 10k in Stormblood raiding at all, never mind what one would reasonably expect.

[Koka-Kola]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE_...=TheSwordSaint

I didn't realise basic instinct was so strong. Also, they are in healer mimicry, change that to DPS minicry for the crit and DH boost, they will do more damage.

with 20 percent crit rate, I have no doubt that their dps will increase but there is no set value to add in with the current parse. It would have to be re-parsed

[Mikey_R]

At this point, there really needs to be a test done. Party of non Blue Mages Vs party that includes Blue Mages. It's probably the only way to definitively compare them rather than all the speculating.

[Gruntler]

At this point, there really needs to be a test done. Party of non Blue Mages Vs party that includes Blue Mages. It's probably the only way to definitively compare them rather than all the speculating.

Blue mages are pushing into the 5 digits regularly in SB.

Black Mages in SB pushed into 5 digits 3 times total in all SB raiding.

[ItMe]

Only 3 parses got past 10k in Stormblood raiding at all,

Black Mages in SB pushed into 5 digits 3 times total in all SB raiding.

I may be exposing my ignorance here, but how can you tell?

[Koka-Kola]

How is white wind's range limited when it's the same as all the other aoe heals with the exception of medica 2 and afflatus rapture (both being 20 yalm) and cure 3( only being 6 yalms)?

Its range is limited as I would have to be closer to an ally for it to heal them than a target spell (pomcure for example) Trying to heal with that spell is difficult unless the party stacks and remains within range while casting unless swift casted. other heals are not effective or reliable in dps mimicry. For blue mage to sustain dps, it would have to have to keep dps mimicry. White wind is not something to rely on healing the party in accountability of repositioning, casting, and possibly recasting if your ally moves mid cast. then you have to consider the cost and how much mp you already burn from dps rotations. you COULD save mp by withholding dps and save mp just incase you want to heal. point is it would harm your DPS.

[HyoMinPark]

I (regretfully) cannot find the redit pose anymore so let's use a BLM's post of 8k without echo. As stated before on this thread, a solo blue mage pushed 16k and can burst 32k. that is with blues solo buff solo buff which doubles damage and healing. so without that buff it would be 8k (which I assume since this is first phase, used the instants not all at once) and burst at 16k (which I assume is all instant casts active) that would mean at tops it can deal 16k dps in a short succession or 8k in a long fight.

You probably can’t find it because a DPS sustaining 14,000 in personal damage in the middle of Sigmascape was impossible. So these logs you are talking about never existed in the first place.

Looking at the highest ranked log for God Kefka, it was a BLM at a bit over 7800 personal DPS on August 15, 2018. Nowhere near the 14,000 you claimed you saw. Sure you weren’t looking at opener burst damage? Because that isn’t the same as sustained damage—which is what matters. SB BRD had some of the highest opening burst among DPS jobs. It wasn’t as strong overall as SMN or BLM.

Its range is limited as I would have to be closer to an ally for it to heal them than a target spell (pomcure for example) Trying to heal with that spell is difficult unless the party stacks and remains within range while casting unless swift casted. other heals are not effective or reliable in dps mimicry. For blue mage to sustain dps, it would have to have to keep dps mimicry. White wind is not something to rely on healing the party in accountability of repositioning, casting, and possibly recasting if your ally moves mid cast. then you have to consider the cost and how much mp you already burn from dps rotations. you COULD save mp by withholding dps and save mp just incase you want to heal. point is it would harm your DPS.

But BLU would basically encounter the same problems as healers. Their range for White Wind is not some surprisingly limited, Cure III-like range. It’s the same as all other standard heals with the exception of two. Your main concern you pointed out was the limited range—that doesn’t actually exist.

If party members are standing in Narnia when you’re trying to heal—which they do with real healers, too, trust me—then that isn’t your fault. Nor does it negate any effectiveness of your healing skill. They’re just being dumb. MP costs are something all healers have to consider as well. None of these “concerns” are particularly special or limited to BLU.