Treading Dangerous Ground

[Elexia]

I agree there should have been a poll on the matter.

When the development team comes to a point where this happens:



that should be a sign that it's time to ask the players what to do. At least then it won't look like a mistake on the developers' part, they just did what the players wanted.

They always ask the players, why do you think XIV is in such a flip-flop state currently? The players.

people on large servers didn't WANT a merge.
people on small servers did NEED a merge

Large server numbers taper off, newly merged servers doing just fine, then what? You still get the imbalance that people feared with option 4. because they're not going to actively merge servers everytime numbers drop each week or month.

This is why option 4 was pretty good, even if the last 3 servers ended up with slightly less people, it would be better distributed and in the future you wouldn't run the risk of untouched servers becoming ghost towns like what would/will happen by doing so.

[darkstarpoet1]

Large server numbers taper off, newly merged servers doing just fine, then what? You still get the imbalance that people feared with option 4. because they're not going to actively merge servers everytime numbers drop each week or month.

This is why option 4 was pretty good, even if the last 3 servers ended up with slightly less people, it would be better distributed and in the future you wouldn't run the risk of untouched servers becoming ghost towns like what would/will happen by doing so.

that had absolutely nothing to do with what my post was about. option 4 was horrid and that's why every language complained about it. this is one of the few issues that the jp and english players both railed against hard.

my post was pointing out an issue with doing a player poll. if a poll question is not worded correctly then the results can represent the wants of some and go against the needs of others.

here's an example of it:

which version of merge would you like to see?
1. straight a+b=c
2. a+b=c with optional transfer.
3. make 10 servers and everyone repicks their servers.
4. no merge is needed at this point.

using that set of answers to that question the people on the large servers could see no need in merge so they would vote against it all together and pick option 4. the people on the small servers actually need a merge, but there is no way they could vote for one without a majority in the large servers voting the same way.

in other words if those poll questions aren't worded correctly to address a need it can wind up going towards a want for some while ignoring the needs of others.

[MeowyWowie]

They always ask the players, why do you think XIV is in such a flip-flop state currently? The players.

No, that's as far from the truth as you can get. FFXIV is in such a state because they completely ignored players' feedback during alpha and beta testing. The biggest thing that they should have listened to was everyone telling them it's not ready for release when it clearly wasn't.

[Elexia]

No, that's as far from the truth as you can get. FFXIV is in such a state because they completely ignored players' feedback during alpha and beta testing. The biggest thing that they should have listened to was everyone telling them it's not ready for release when it clearly wasn't.

So when they polled the players and everyone agreed on an overhaul..they didn't listen?

When people wanted the game to be "more Final Fantasy" they didn't listen?

When people clamored for class definition they didn't listen?

When people wanted an enchantment type system they didn't listen?

When people complained about surplus, they didn't listen?

When people complained about the random nature of SP and fixed it they didn't listen?

When people complained most skills were useless they seriously didn't reform them?


You're right, them listening to players is far from the truth. I mean, every change they did had absolutely zero to do with the playerbase. I think you're confusing them not listening to "GIVE ME ARMOR WITH +9001 STR, DEX, VIT AND ACCURACY AND LET ME SOLO EVEN END-GAME CONTENT" stupid requests as not listening to players.

By the way, they stated the game wasn't ready for release but do you think it was Tanaka's call to push it out unfinished? If you remember how they had literally nothing for the 2010 year beyond FFXI it got pushed out to try to pad things, which means it was if anything Wada's decision, not the people working on it.

[darkstarpoet1]

No, that's as far from the truth as you can get. FFXIV is in such a state because they completely ignored players' feedback during alpha and beta testing. The biggest thing that they should have listened to was everyone telling them it's not ready for release when it clearly wasn't.

this 10000000x.

i know, meowy, you may have a stroke that i actually agree with you, but what you say is completely right.

So when they polled the players and everyone agreed on an overhaul..they didn't listen?

actually according to the players poll the majority stated content, not an overhaul, as the main thing they wanted. on what the majority voted for? no, they did not listen.

[MeowyWowie]

this 10000000x.

i know, meowy, you may have a stroke that i actually agree with you, but what you say is completely right.

Lol, no hard feelings. I don't hold any grudges against anyone here. It's just in our nature to argue with each other on these forums apparently.

[darkstarpoet1]

Lol, no hard feelings. I don't hold any grudges against anyone here. It's just in our nature to argue with each other on these forums apparently.

yes, we may disagree alot, but we both handle it like adults and don't do the "don't like it jump off a bridge" when we do disagree. i don't even agree with my wife all the time, but that doesn't make me hate her when we disagree either.

i may have a different opinion than you on many matters, but i never take different views personal. i just thought it was funny we actually saw eye to eye for a change and wanted to point out that monumental occasion lol.

[Elexia]

actually according to the players poll the majority stated content, not an overhaul, as the main thing they wanted. on what the majority voted for? no, they did not listen.

As much as you want to continually disagree for the sake of it..I know I've passed math and therefore I know that 72% is quite a bit larger than 36%...or am I wrong and it works differently in different parts of the world? Not only that, but between battle system and content, it was a 12% difference, which means the "majority" didn't exactly vote for just content, both were almost equally as important.

Not only that:

11. Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?




That seems to be..most did agree on an overhaul. So unless I'm reading this wrong, majority would have voted for faster updates and more communication if they "didn't vote for an overhaul"..so yes we are getting what we voted for, an overhaul (What is FFXIV 2.0 then out of the kindess of their hearts?)

[darkstarpoet1]

As much as you want to continually disagree for the sake of it..I know I've passed math and therefore I know that 72% is quite a bit larger than 36%...or am I wrong and it works differently in different parts of the world? Not only that, but between battle system and content, it was a 12% difference, which means the "majority" didn't exactly vote for just content, both were almost equally as important.

Not only that:

11. Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?




That seems to be..most did agree on an overhaul. So unless I'm reading this wrong, majority would have voted for faster updates and more communication if they "didn't vote for an overhaul"..so yes we are getting what we voted for, an overhaul (What is FFXIV 2.0 then out of the kindess of their hearts?)

lol nice try. yes, people voted for drastic changes.

yes, people voted for overhaul over faster updates and more talking.

yes, the majority voted for content over combat changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over armory changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over ui changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over market changes.

so in reading those poll responses. yes, people did vote for fundamental changes and when asked about which change they wanted most it was the change from having nothing to do to having more content. the order in which things are not in line with those votes.

we got ui changes, armory changes, market changes, and battle changes first. all of those were lower on the players votes. the overhaul people asked for was content over any other type. no method you can use will skew the numbers to show where battle was higher than content in the poll. it may be different using the math in your part of the world, but 36.8>24.2 where i am from.

nice try but, try again.

[Elexia]

lol nice try. yes, people voted for drastic changes.

yes, people voted for overhaul over faster updates and more talking.

Based on what you said though..most didn't vote for an overhaul.

so in reading those poll responses. yes, people did vote for fundamental change

I guess in your world fundamental game play changes only refers to content, not any other system. As I said, you can disagree for the sake of it all you want, overall people agreed for and wanted an overhaul to the game that was released.

the overhaul people asked for was content

Pretty sure you don't overhaul a game by adding content, you overhaul a game by fixing foundation systems, but after all, maybe in different parts of the world "overhaul" = adding more content, so I could indeed be wrong.