Why do people save LB till the end of the fight?

[MysticDecay]

I use it whenever it's up, especially if I feel by using it we can get another LB in the rest of the fight duration.

I've had people moan but I pay no attention. It's normally a dungeon or something that it makes very little difference in anyway, so may as well use it if it's there.

[Ammokkx]

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It's amazing how consistently they manage to pull this off.

[Goji1639]

LB doesn't scale with our gear, so in content we're all synched for using it doesn't really save much time. I'm guessing most of the time people just don't care enough to use it.

Some people, however, may be saving it for the rare situation where both Healer and Tank are down; DPS are fading fast; boss is almost dead; Need to squeeze out as much DPS as possible to finish the fight before we wipe... I've seen LB actually make the difference in a close fight before, so there's some logic in saving it just in case.

[ReiMakoto]

LB doesn't scale with our gear, so in content we're all synched for using it doesn't really save much time. I'm guessing most of the time people just don't care enough to use it.

Some people, however, may be saving it for the rare situation where both Healer and Tank are down; DPS are fading fast; boss is almost dead; Need to squeeze out as much DPS as possible to finish the fight before we wipe... I've seen LB actually make the difference in a close fight before, so there's some logic in saving it just in case.

LB's do scale, they scale with the average item level of your parties equipment mainhand weapon, so they should still be effective when synced.

[Goji1639]

LB's do scale, they scale with the average item level of your parties equipment mainhand weapon, so they should still be effective when synced.

That's interesting, with how little damage they seem to do I guess I kind of assumed they didn't.

Like in MSQ how people like to open on Nero with LB for some reason. The tiny amount of damage it does is less than a few seconds of the fully synched party attacking him, making it a complete waste of time.

[Vickii]

I have often found that anything less than a LB3 is a waste of DPS as many jobs, if properly played, do better DPS than a LB2.

The limit break system needs to be overhauled to make it more useful.

LB2 does more against 5 enemies than MCH aoe rotation does. Not sure about 3.

But on a single target boss it’s a huge dps drop and i have no idea why any range use it even if there’s no melee/magic.

[AngelCheese77]

Troll OP poster. Don’t feed them.

[Mavrias]

OP has cleared savage and is asking this question.

Outside of prog, you pretty much never hold lb3 til the end lol. You find a good spot in your rotation and make sure the boss won't immediately kill you (lol) and pop it asap, and start potentially generating another one. Some strategies wanna hold it for certain phases, but none this expansion to my knowledge and pretty much none of them are at the end of the fight.

[RyuDragnier]

Most people don't use LB in dungeons, sometimes the dungeon is cleared without ever using LB. I think the reason for this is because people are not used to seeing other people using LB while doing dungeons. If LB was frequently used in the situation I mentioned above it will be the norm and more people will remember to use it.

It can also depend on WHEN you get LB1. If the party is skilled and you're going through the dungeon fast, you may not see LB1 until you're halfway done or completely done with the 2nd boss, at which point you may end up forgetting that you even had the ability to use it to begin with.

[technole]

Really should look at LB from a raider standpoint. It can also be a personal DPS loss.

Like in savage raids, you want the NIN to do it over the MNK, SAM, or DRG. But they also may want to ensure they are not in a trick attack window (party-wide DPS increase because of debuff on the boss) to limit break so there is always timing, boss going away, and benefit ratio (enrage is coming). Like there are windows where LB1-3 are perfect for and if you miss them, it's probably better to hold off. it's not an LB3 is up and go, do it now thing.


Now in casual content, it doesn't matter too much. Unless hitting an enrage like Titania where a ranged/caster LB tends to be a good for the tree adds since that still tends to be a slog for most of duty finder this expansion.