Why do people save LB till the end of the fight?

[Gemina]

LB doesn't scale with our gear, so in content we're all synched for using it doesn't really save much time. I'm guessing most of the time people just don't care enough to use it.

Some people, however, may be saving it for the rare situation where both Healer and Tank are down; DPS are fading fast; boss is almost dead; Need to squeeze out as much DPS as possible to finish the fight before we wipe... I've seen LB actually make the difference in a close fight before, so there's some logic in saving it just in case.

Using caster LB2 on Nero won't cause 50% damage to him, but it literally cuts the amount of time to Zerg him down in half. When that time is 60 seconds compared to 120 seconds, then no, it does not make that much of a difference. However, it does always put a smile on my face when players are aware of these kind of mechanics with the LB system, and don't toss away free damage because "not a big deal."

[Gemina]

Your potencies are outdated/ incorrect: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

There are some situations were you could do more by not LBing such as when youre in your burst phase

That's fine. The point remains the same. There isn't any way any individual player can pump out the amount of damage Lbs do with the same amount of button presses and in the same amount of time. It's a massive boost to both personal and raid DPS. As far as I know anyway.

[Goji1639]

Using caster LB2 on Nero won't cause 50% damage to him, but it literally cuts the amount of time to Zerg him down in half. When that time is 60 seconds compared to 120 seconds, then no, it does not make that much of a difference. However, it does always put a smile on my face when players are aware of these kind of mechanics with the LB system, and don't toss away free damage because "not a big deal."

Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but in MSQ Nero takes like 20 seconds to burn down and the LB takes maybe 5-10% of his health bar. If you do the math you're better off just pulling him immediately and beating on him instead of having the entire synced party sit there inactive for a few seconds to get off the LB.

[Lium]

"The DNC just wasted a LB3 that a melee could have used! Kick them!"

is why I don't LB ever.

Thread should have ended here. This is the correct answer. I remember I was on BLM and ran Castrum Abania, I think it was. It was the part where we were on a bridge or catwalk and a bunch of mobs came out. I used LB and the tank had a mini-conniption, and the healer wasn't happy about it either. Since that day, I have refused to use LB on anything other than a melee job when the boss is at like 2% HP.

[Vahlnir]

"The DNC just wasted a LB3 that a melee could have used! Kick them!"

is why I don't LB ever.

I prefer that over Vermillion "MY EYES!" Scourge.

[RyuDragnier]

I prefer that over Vermillion "MY EYES!" Scourge.

I think you mean Vermillion "Let me wipe the raid" Scourge.

[ReiMakoto]

That's fine. The point remains the same. There isn't any way any individual player can pump out the amount of damage Lbs do with the same amount of button presses and in the same amount of time. It's a massive boost to both personal and raid DPS. As far as I know anyway.

This is also not true (except for button presses but thats a rather bizzare metric to measure it by) , melee lb1 deals about 200k in 5.86 seconds, a Samurai doing their double midare burst (which takes about 4 seconds with weaving slots if we are counting time till they can gcd again) can do that amount in the same time easily, especially given that casting the LB cancels autos and you cant use ogcds during it either (and especially if they crit/have shoha/senei in that window as well), so LB should be delayed until after that paticular burst. Other classes may have similar scenarios.

[Gemina]

Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but in MSQ Nero takes like 20 seconds to burn down and the LB takes maybe 5-10% of his health bar. If you do the math you're better off just pulling him immediately and beating on him instead of having the entire synced party sit there inactive for a few seconds to get off the LB.

The time I used is just an example. Whatever amount of time it takes to cut him down, caster LB2 will reduce it by around half that time. It's a very small thing to gripe about, I just hate seeing the LB gauge get siphoned away and Nero is not the only case this happens. Prae is a great place to inform new or unaware players about the LB gauge getting nuked if someone aggros the boss. Players who know this will be less likely to waste it in other encounters such as alliance raids where it can really help things along.

[Gemina]

This is also not true (except for button presses but thats a rather bizzare metric to measure it by) , melee lb1 deals about 200k in 5.86 seconds, a Samurai doing their double midare burst (which takes about 4 seconds with weaving slots if we are counting time till they can gcd again) can do that amount in the same time easily, especially given that casting the LB cancels autos and you cant use ogcds during it either (and especially if they crit/have shoha/senei in that window as well), so LB should be delayed until after that paticular burst. Other classes may have similar scenarios.

How is that a bizarre metric? We're talking a single button press with LB in comparison to the myriad of presses that goes into an opener/burst phase, or enough skills to equal that damage. In terms of comparisons, I was thinking more along the lines of LB2; however, I have at least a handful of encounters where LB1 literally made the difference between a phase transition or a wipe. I can't think of any situation where an LB does not provide a beneficial boost to the player and party's DPS.

In the case of SAM, what you're neglecting to mention is that burst damage is not on demand. The SAM has to build up the resource to use Setsugekka, and Tsubame is on a 120s cooldown. LB is also a resource that has to be built up, but the situation we are dealing with here is an already full LB gauge. I also should mention on my SAM, my burst phase ends with my potion, so the entire rotation lasts around 30 seconds. I would need to do some math, but I believe I would need a third hard hitting Setsugekka to get close to or surpass the damage from Blade Dance during that window, but perhaps someone who has actually done the comparisons will come forward.

[Dogempire]

How is that a bizarre metric? We're talking a single button press with LB in comparison to the myriad of presses that goes into an opener/burst phase, or enough skills to equal that damage. In terms of comparisons, I was thinking more along the lines of LB2; however, I have at least a handful of encounters where LB1 literally made the difference between a phase transition or a wipe. I can't think of any situation where an LB does not provide a beneficial boost to the player and party's DPS.

In the case of SAM, what you're neglecting to mention is that burst damage is not on demand. The SAM has to build up the resource to use Setsugekka, and Tsubame is on a 120s cooldown. LB is also a resource that has to be built up, but the situation we are dealing with here is an already full LB gauge. I also should mention on my SAM, my burst phase ends with my potion, so the entire rotation lasts around 30 seconds. I would need to do some math, but I believe I would need a third hard hitting Setsugekka to get close to or surpass the damage from Blade Dance during that window, but perhaps someone who has actually done the comparisons will come forward.

Well the issue with LB2 is that outside of 8 man content you only get it for the last 2% of the final boss of the dungeon, which by that point might as well not use it since the difference in kill speed is abysmal, and LB1 is only really worth being used by ranged and caster jobs on pulls, except that normally tanks aren't in any danger of getting killed by the mobs they pulled so the extra damage isn't really needed.