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    I can bang out my 50 runs in a week because I can use discord to queue 2 parties of not even competent people, just people who are willing to listen to voice calls and get them into the same instance and easily divide them up to get through the gate fight and even rescue all 6 prisoners easily.

    It's such a low level of competency that the average player doesn't meet. The mechanics themselves are normal tier difficulty, but good luck finding someone that'll step up as a leader and take the time to organise it for you.

    You can argue it's square's fault for fostering and catering to a pretty lazy playerbase but my only critique is that they made castrum easier than BA because other players struggled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinklet View Post
    You can argue it's square's fault for fostering and catering to a pretty lazy playerbase but my only critique is that they made castrum easier than BA because other players struggled.
    I'm sure discord is an option. It worked real well for BA BUT 3rd party services shouldn't be the mech by which people queue for a clear content. This I do believe was an attempt to make queuing for the content in game but they screwed it up big time by messing up the incentives for doing the duty. One of the biggest complaints about Eureka and BA was that it wasn't really doable in game and needed discord to accomplish it.

    Right now Casturm is failing big time and personally I'm surprised it's taking SE so long to hotfix it. I'm sitting right now in Borza on Crystal DC with 2 people queued for Castrum at 2:30 minutes left to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    I'm sure discord is an option. It worked real well for BA BUT 3rd party services shouldn't be the mech by which people queue for a clear content. This I do believe was an attempt to make queuing for the content in game but they screwed it up big time by messing up the incentives for doing the duty. One of the biggest complaints about Eureka and BA was that it wasn't really doable in game and needed discord to accomplish it.

    Right now Casturm is failing big time and personally I'm surprised it's taking SE so long to hotfix it. I'm sitting right now in Borza on Crystal DC with 2 people queued for Castrum at 2:30 minutes left to join.
    Nah, hard disagree, big group content has always required voice coms or an external factor in some shape or form, in every mmo ever. There's a wow guild of people who are literally deaf and they're all on discord even still.

    The main mechanic is co-ordination and it's the easiest one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinklet View Post
    Nah, hard disagree,
    You're welcome to disagree but I'm not convinced. It's not something that should be required sorry. BA is was necessary but this is certainly more than doable if they didn't screw up the rewards structure. A hotfix is incoming and you're more than welcome to push discord, I used it significantly for BA, but it isn't necessary here or should be necessary for this content.

    I've got 6 toons who cleared Castrum with it before the hotfix (probably close to 16 clears given some have cleared it 4 times) without using discord and there isn't one that could have cleared BA without discord and I have 8 toons with marbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    . It's not something that should be required sorry. BA is was necessary but this is certainly more than doable if they didn't screw up the rewards structure. A hotfix is incoming and you're more than welcome to push discord, I used it significantly for BA, but it isn't necessary here or should be necessary for this content.

    I've got 6 toons who cleared Castrum with it before the hotfix (probably close to 16 clears given some have cleared it 4 times) without using discord and there isn't one that could have cleared BA without discord and I have 8 toons with marbles.
    Tell that to JP who farmed BA without discord and good luck pugging castrum, assuming enough people join to begin with xd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinklet View Post
    Tell that to JP who farmed BA without discord and good luck pugging castrum, assuming enough people join to begin with xd
    Were taking North America and Eu... lol. You work for discord is that it. Please stop. How many BA clears are there in NA without BA I'm waiting. And Castrum will be fine once they fix the rewards structure it was fine before the hotfix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Were taking North America and Eu... lol. You work for discord is that it. Please stop. How many BA clears are there in NA I'm waiting.
    It's okay if you're embarrassed about struggling with normal and 24 man tier difficulty fights, no need to let the forums know about it, I can give you a link to the na castrum server if you'd like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinklet View Post
    Nah, hard disagree, big group content has always required voice coms or an external factor in some shape or form, in every mmo ever.
    Completely untrue. I raided in huge 70+ people raids plenty back in the 90s in EverQuest without any voice communication at all. We communicated in game. Wanna use voice in Savage with a set group who know each other, fine, but it's ridiculous to expect that people are randomly going to get in voice chat for what is purported to be content aimed at casuals. Especially women like myself. I do not get on voice with people I don't know and I know many other women who won't as well due to the harassment we've gotten over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Completely untrue. I raided in huge 70+ people raids plenty back in the 90s in EverQuest without any voice communication at all. We communicated in game. Wanna use voice in Savage with a set group who know each other, fine, but it's ridiculous to expect that people are randomly going to get in voice chat for what is purported to be content aimed at casuals. Especially women like myself. I do not get on voice with people I don't know and I know many other women who won't as well due to the harassment we've gotten over the years.
    I quit just after plane of power, which was a full on raid expansion. I ran 5 clerics (all the retired ex-guild members) on 5 computer. All i did in all of those raids is
    1 - have cleric follow main
    2 - find a corner, all face wall
    3 - wait until tank pull count down
    4 - press 1 on each keyboard, 1 second part for every 10 second.
    (repeat for 30 minutes)

    of course you don't need a discord for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobio View Post
    I quit just after plane of power, which was a full on raid expansion. I ran 5 clerics (all the retired ex-guild members) on 5 computer. All i did in all of those raids is
    1 - have cleric follow main
    2 - find a corner, all face wall
    3 - wait until tank pull count down
    4 - press 1 on each keyboard, 1 second part for every 10 second.
    (repeat for 30 minutes)

    of course you don't need a discord for that!
    I was an enchanter. We had class specific-chats set up to coordinate our mezzes and charms, clerics had theirs to coordinate chain heals, etc. The main raid chat had instructions going out constantly from our raid leader. And we had our group chats for further coordination. And we would shoot the shit in zone chat or shout.

    I had a face a wall a lot but that's because the lag was atrocious if you didn't, not because we weren't engaging. Not sure how you raided without communicating with your fellows. And it was a lot more engaging that sitting and listening to call outs.
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