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    Player
    ChameleonMS's Avatar
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    Jordan O'niell
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Castrum upon successful completionn of the duty the following should happen. Perhaps this is too much but I suspect there would be not problem getting people to run the duty.

    1. Mettle reward
    2, Experience reward for those leveling jobs
    3. 26 Coins is probably fine if other incentives are added
    4. Memory rewards at least one of each yellow, blue, red and green
    5. Clusters perhaps 10
    6. Increased drop rate for upgrades
    7. Maintain the same drops rate for music scrolls and other current rewards.

    idling in zone right now in the EU waiting to see if I can get a Castrum clear given it's the weekend and perhaps there will be better participation. I'd like to get it done now as opposed to waiting for the developers to get around to a hotfix.
    The rewards would also need to scale up for Rank 15, lv80 characters because Mettle and XP are useless to this group.
    Something similar to how rewards change for daily roulettes. The goal is to incentivize players with "no reason" to run the content to actually run the content.
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Castrum upon successful completionn of the duty the following should happen. Perhaps this is too much but I suspect there would be no problem getting people to run the duty.

    1. Mettle reward
    2, Experience reward for those leveling jobs
    3. 26 Coins is probably fine if other incentives are added
    4. Memory rewards at least one of each yellow, blue, red and green
    5. Clusters perhaps 10
    6. Increased drop rate for upgrades
    7. Maintain the same drops rate for music scrolls and other current rewards.

    idling in zone right now in the EU waiting to see if I can get a Castrum clear for one of my alts given it's the weekend and perhaps there will be better participation. I'd like to get it done now as opposed to waiting for the developers to get around to a hotfix. Castrum pop is about 10 minutes away. Yesterday the duty couldn't muster more that 12 on two attempts.

    Edit: Gil could also be an incentive for completion like with many duties we run outside of Borzan.
    Bonus coins / mettle for first time participants.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Castrum is already the best coin income assuming it's up.
    You aren't going to earn 25ish coins in skirmishes and CEs in the time it takes to do castrum.
    It's also the only way to get certain fragments.

    While it would be nice to see it get further rewards, right now all you gotta do is show people it's worth it to go in there still.
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    MariaArvana's Avatar
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    Maria Rubrum
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by XIPOTATOX View Post
    You can get the fragments for the relic weapon outside bozjan from certain area's from fates. 100% drop rate
    They meant the <Forgotten Fragments of (x)>, not the memories. Castrum has many exclusive fragments locked behind it (the deep essence abilities, for example.)
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    Novae's Avatar
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    Novae Ombreloup
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    Faerie
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm still waiting for HW FATEs to drop bojzan clusters/coins/lockpicks and augmented gear. Make Bozja a 100% optionnal and avoidable content SE. Please.
    There are too many players who don't want to play your game but still want the rewards. Listen to them !!
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Most people don't do Castrum because there's so little reason to do it. Even adding guaranteed drops for the relic quest items wouldn't help much because they're guaranteed to drop already from much easier content.

    Maybe they could, I dunno, guarantee a piece of job-appropriate unaugmented gear once per week? At least then Tuesday would have some activity before people got their drops and stopped bothering.
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    Packetdancer's Avatar
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Leviathan
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Castrum is already the best coin income assuming it's up.
    You aren't going to earn 25ish coins in skirmishes and CEs in the time it takes to do castrum.
    It's also the only way to get certain fragments
    I actually enjoy Castrum mechanically just as a duty on its own; yes, I grant I may be weird. However:
    1. You may not earn 25-ish coins in skirmishes and CEs in the time it takes to do Castrum, but unless you really need/want the augmented Bozjan gear, you don't need that many coins either.
    2. If you grind for coins outside Bozja, the coin gain might be slightly slower but you can also be accumulating Memories for a relic, Bozjan clusters, lockboxes, and mettle. The ability to get all those other things simultaneously may outweigh the slight loss of speed in farming coins for folks.
    3. You don't really need the fragments exclusive to Castrum, either. They're nice, but not necessary for any content.

    So there's not a burning need for most people to do Castrum for rewards. And since you get no mettle from it but can lose a fair amount, there's that actual disincentive to run it.

    Even good players can screw up; no one has perfect runs 100% of the time. And every screw-up in Castrum will cost them. Maybe not rank, no, but even rank 15 folks could lose mettle and have to build it back up in advance of whatever comes next. Add to that the fact that not doing Castrum currently rewards you by meaning you spend that time farming 3 other things (relic items, clusters, and lockboxes) Castrum will not, plus mettle for those not capped...

    A lot of players in this game want to focus on "efficiency"; that's a valid way to play, but right now those players are going to avoid Castrum because while you might get coins at a slightly higher rate, you're doing so at increased risk of net mettle loss, and by sacrificing the ability to grind/farm three other things simultaneously. Moreover, for folks wanting to do the 1v1's, going into Castrum means losing a chance at a duel if the eligible CEs pop while you're in, so there's an additional opportunity cost there which may not be outweighed by coins.

    So for a lot of people I know, they decide Castrum is an efficiency loss overall; other than the fragments, there's nothing you can get in Castrum you can't get outside it, and quite a few things you can get outside it that you can't get if you do run it.
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    Last edited by Packetdancer; 11-22-2020 at 02:03 AM.

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