Job Change Suggestions for SMN

[HeulGDarian]

I honestly don't really care about egi glamours. What i want from not just the egis but the demis as well is personality.
What do i mean by that, Garuda in her fight was sadistic and full of her self. So why not make it so that she has half the dmg in her autos but attacks twice as fast, since she likes making her target suffer.
Ifrit was relentless so why not have his abilities be faster and add a dash since he wont stop till the targets die
Titan on the other hand he just wants to bury everyone alive why not make him slow but more powerfull
On top of that they could also make it so that their basic spell, or their auto whatever you call it be a combo they do alone.
Each egi has a different enkindle but why not also have a different devotion. Pheonix has a different devotion , the everlasting flight. Why not the rest.
Also each primal nay its element has a different debuff why not give each one their own.

The answer ofc is cause its impossible to balance but to me having the summons feel alive is much more important than getting more egi glams or different egi aesthetics.
As for fixing the job everything has already been talked , the problems , solutions , and we know what is most likely come to pass.
To give the tldr version
No dots/egis/whatever the forums faceplanted their keyboard and looked the most similiar to a smn mech arent going to be removed
back pedalling on the aetherflow chain removal is the easiest and best solution to most of the issues
Trance+demi consolidation is extremely bad , but since its the most popular thing its the most likely 6.0 change
And pet Ai still sucks

[darcstar62]

I mean, they sure are taking a long time, but with how long it sometimes takes them to implement even basic QoL changes it just doesn't surprise me.
If its not out (or at least mentioned again) by 6.0 I'm going to be concerned as well, and not just for the prospect of Egi Glams but for the job as a whole.
But for now it seems they still want to do something with it, so we'll see.

Look how long it's taken us to get a new healer. I mean, the last time we got a new healer was ... about the same time we got egi glams, so I think it's still reasonable to expect they're still on the list somewhere.

[HeyMcFly]

I'd get back into summoner if the egi glamours weren't so lackluster & disappointing.
I couldn't quite get into summoner bc of the lack of appealing egis but maybe that's intentional, to have boring egi glamours

[VentVanitas]

back pedalling on the aetherflow chain removal is the easiest and best solution to most of the issues

This alone would probably make me go back to SMN again, to be honest. I miss being able to spam Deathflare with how old DWT worked.

[SweetPete]

I'd get back into summoner if the egi glamours weren't so lackluster & disappointing.
I couldn't quite get into summoner bc of the lack of appealing egis but maybe that's intentional, to have boring egi glamours

Maybe SE feels like if we actually summoned smaller primal versions then everyone would play summoner for the aesthetic appeal. Kinda silly way to look at it if that’s SE’s reasoning. Yoshi said a long time ago I’m not sure on the exact date but he said he doesn’t want huge primals running around with summoners in places like Limsa, Uldah and Gridiana. That could also be the reason.

[SweetPete]

Look how long it's taken us to get a new healer. I mean, the last time we got a new healer was ... about the same time we got egi glams, so I think it's still reasonable to expect they're still on the list somewhere.

No one wants to see a system they created flawed and fail. To me, the pet system as a whole needs reworking. They don’t execute abilities on time which is the reason why we have the 2 minute opener rotation to begin with. I truly hope 6.0 we will see a summoner rework. Yes the damage is good but the pets are very flawed and in my opinion needs to go. Titan is very situational to use anyway. They can’t even tank for you anymore.

[MartaDemireux]

Yoshi said a long time ago I’m not sure on the exact date but he said he doesn’t want huge primals running around with summoners in places like Limsa, Uldah and Gridiana. That could also be the reason.

This was definitely said at one point. But since then they added a way to change the size of Demi Bahamut. There isn't really a reason why they couldn't do it for all egi and demi.

The other point he made was the lore. The more detailed the summon, the more free will it has basically. But there is definitely room to improve current egi appearance and still fit into that lore.

[Casti_EL]

Maybe SE feels like if we actually summoned smaller primal versions then everyone would play summoner for the aesthetic appeal. Kinda silly way to look at it if that’s SE’s reasoning. Yoshi said a long time ago I’m not sure on the exact date but he said he doesn’t want huge primals running around with summoners in places like Limsa, Uldah and Gridiana. That could also be the reason.

They could just do what they did in FFXI - prevent summoning avatars in city states. Personally I'd like the primals to be a little bit bigger (not huge though - too big and they cause issues in dungeons/raids) and a bit more 'real' rather than floating gummy shapes.

[Tint]

They could just do what they did in FFXI - prevent summoning avatars in city states. Personally I'd like the primals to be a little bit bigger (not huge though - too big and they cause issues in dungeons/raids) and a bit more 'real' rather than floating gummy shapes.

Yeah I rememeber the day when I had 3 Summoners in my party and they all spawned their Bahamut simultaneously on top of me, blocking all my vision and I died to the mechanic wich happened at the same time >.>

I really should look up that text command for shrinking them...

[Casti_EL]

Yeah I rememeber the day when I had 3 Summoners in my party and they all spawned their Bahamut simultaneously on top of me, blocking all my vision and I died to the mechanic wich happened at the same time >.>

I really should look up that text command for shrinking them...

Yikes, yeah that is one issue with bigger summons (didn't know there was a way to shrink them though). Maybe have a UI option to adjust transparency of summons or have "simple" and "detailed" display options for them (bit like the class bars?).