Job Change Suggestions for SMN

[Grimoire-M]

Egi glamours are really the only way to implement the majority of the other Primals without serious button bloat. SMN is already in need of a serious amount of consolidation and a look back at why they kept Aetherflow for so long in the first place. To me, they could remove a ton of cooldowns and rely on states to track where SMN is in during its rotation while using Aetherflow as a clock. Aetherflow unlocks Trance, Trance cycles the Demi-Egi, and all the extra buttons get consolidated down.

[Tulzscha]

Egi glamours are really the only way to implement the majority of the other Primals without serious button bloat.

I'd prefer a loadout system to glamours. Glamours take away all the summons' identities. If we could go out and collect a dozen or so egis and each was at least slightly different with a few unique ones here and there but we could only put 3 or 4 on our action bars at a time, I think that would be ideal but probably more complex than the devs would like.

[Exodus-E]

I'd prefer a loadout system to glamours. Glamours take away all the summons' identities. If we could go out and collect a dozen or so egis and each was at least slightly different with a few unique ones here and there but we could only put 3 or 4 on our action bars at a time, I think that would be ideal but probably more complex than the devs would like.

These don't have to be mutually exclusive (could be managed through a dedicated UI window).
But yeah, so long as they also have their own unique animations/effects/etc. then it's alright.

[HeulGDarian]

I honestly don't really care about egi glamours. What i want from not just the egis but the demis as well is personality.
What do i mean by that, Garuda in her fight was sadistic and full of her self. So why not make it so that she has half the dmg in her autos but attacks twice as fast, since she likes making her target suffer.
Ifrit was relentless so why not have his abilities be faster and add a dash since he wont stop till the targets die
Titan on the other hand he just wants to bury everyone alive why not make him slow but more powerfull
On top of that they could also make it so that their basic spell, or their auto whatever you call it be a combo they do alone.
Each egi has a different enkindle but why not also have a different devotion. Pheonix has a different devotion , the everlasting flight. Why not the rest.
Also each primal nay its element has a different debuff why not give each one their own.

The answer ofc is cause its impossible to balance but to me having the summons feel alive is much more important than getting more egi glams or different egi aesthetics.
As for fixing the job everything has already been talked , the problems , solutions , and we know what is most likely come to pass.
To give the tldr version
No dots/egis/whatever the forums faceplanted their keyboard and looked the most similiar to a smn mech arent going to be removed
back pedalling on the aetherflow chain removal is the easiest and best solution to most of the issues
Trance+demi consolidation is extremely bad , but since its the most popular thing its the most likely 6.0 change
And pet Ai still sucks

[VentVanitas]

back pedalling on the aetherflow chain removal is the easiest and best solution to most of the issues

This alone would probably make me go back to SMN again, to be honest. I miss being able to spam Deathflare with how old DWT worked.

[Eloah]

Titan on the other hand he just wants to bury everyone alive why not make him slow but more powerful

I just clicked on this thread, on a whim, to see what's new, and your comment was at the top. While I like the idea of personality in the Egis, I feel you may have the wrong idea about Titan. To clarify, Titan-Egi did/does share his personality, in that he wants to protect his children; the summoner in this case acting as his child.

Titan is actually one of the more "benevolent" Primals we have faced, and the only reasons we ever really incur his wrath is because of "broken promises". Just rewatch the cutscene where he is summoned by Ga Bu and the first thing he does is attack his "naughty children" he doesn't even acknowledge us until we interfere when he sets his sights on Ga Bu. This is because of Ga Bu's anguish and despair for the Kobold leader that was imprinted upon him. Don't get be wrong, he's not "good" per se, he's more like an over protective father who might go a bit to far when it comes to his children. No where near as, blood thirsty as Garuda, destructive as Ifrit, or animalistic as Leviathan.

[HeyMcFly]

I'd get back into summoner if the egi glamours weren't so lackluster & disappointing.
I couldn't quite get into summoner bc of the lack of appealing egis but maybe that's intentional, to have boring egi glamours

[SweetPete]

I'd get back into summoner if the egi glamours weren't so lackluster & disappointing.
I couldn't quite get into summoner bc of the lack of appealing egis but maybe that's intentional, to have boring egi glamours

Maybe SE feels like if we actually summoned smaller primal versions then everyone would play summoner for the aesthetic appeal. Kinda silly way to look at it if that’s SE’s reasoning. Yoshi said a long time ago I’m not sure on the exact date but he said he doesn’t want huge primals running around with summoners in places like Limsa, Uldah and Gridiana. That could also be the reason.

[MartaDemireux]

Yoshi said a long time ago I’m not sure on the exact date but he said he doesn’t want huge primals running around with summoners in places like Limsa, Uldah and Gridiana. That could also be the reason.

This was definitely said at one point. But since then they added a way to change the size of Demi Bahamut. There isn't really a reason why they couldn't do it for all egi and demi.

The other point he made was the lore. The more detailed the summon, the more free will it has basically. But there is definitely room to improve current egi appearance and still fit into that lore.

[Casti_EL]

Maybe SE feels like if we actually summoned smaller primal versions then everyone would play summoner for the aesthetic appeal. Kinda silly way to look at it if that’s SE’s reasoning. Yoshi said a long time ago I’m not sure on the exact date but he said he doesn’t want huge primals running around with summoners in places like Limsa, Uldah and Gridiana. That could also be the reason.

They could just do what they did in FFXI - prevent summoning avatars in city states. Personally I'd like the primals to be a little bit bigger (not huge though - too big and they cause issues in dungeons/raids) and a bit more 'real' rather than floating gummy shapes.