FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[FeliAiko]

If people can't address the points made, then at least stay silent and let others that want to handle the argument do so. All you types do nothing but give credence to the view that this game's community like to react emotionally to any type of criticism about the game instead of dealing with the points raised.

[Melichoir]

If people can't address the points made, then at least stay silent and let others that want to handle the argument do so. All you types do nothing but give credence to the view that this game's community like to react emotionally to any type of criticism about the game instead of dealing with the points raised.

Why should people entertain the talking points of someone who is posting on a lvl 25 alt? And that's giving credit to the poster that it is an alt. The talking points provided are things that can be pulled from half a dozen Reddit or OF posts within the last month or two with a basic search. Pair that with the frequency of our very own forum troll who copy/pastes threads or what not from Reddit or the OF from years ago, why is it out of the question to bluntly tell the OP to not use an alt before breaking down the discussion points in a serious manner so that we can at the very least see the poster has played through the content they are critiquing.

Running to the defense of every poster who writes a wall of text on an alt doesnt actually help discussion. If they want to talk about endgame and the like, they should at the least show their receipts and that theyve actually gotten to it. Otherwise all this does is encourage trolling or chats with people who havent really even gone through the game telling us about what needs to be changed. And I can almost guarantee that both those cases will drum up more toxicity over the long term as we will keep having to have the same conversation over and over and telling sprouts to just play the game before they tell us how the game in all its nature needs to be changed cause "'X' MMORPG does it this way".

[FeliAiko]

Why should people entertain the talking points of someone who is posting on a lvl 25 alt?

No-one's forcing people to entertain anything. If you don't like the point/thread, ignore it and move on. Don't get why people think replying with comments like 'lol lvl25 alt who cares' actually does anything beyond proving they got bothered enough to respond to a thread they supposedly don't care about.

You don't have to be at endgame to recognise how basic XIV's gearing system is, or how repetitive their dungeon format is, when it's hardly any different at lower levels. I mean, you can still like the game in spite of these things, but let's not act like because someone isn't at endgame any criticisms raised about XIV are automatically void.

[Gameovers]

No-one's forcing people to entertain anything. If you don't like the point/thread, ignore it and move on. Don't get why people think replying with comments like 'lol lvl25 alt who cares' actually does anything beyond proving they got bothered enough to respond to a thread they supposedly don't care about.

You don't have to be at endgame to recognise how basic XIV's gearing system is, or how repetitive their dungeon format is, when it's hardly any different at lower levels. I mean, you can still like the game in spite of these things, but let's not act like because someone isn't at endgame any criticisms raised about XIV are automatically void.

I disagree, I think you do need to be at endgame to comment on how endgame needs to be changed and whatnot. If you're not doing the content then you shouldn't have any opinion on it what so ever. I'm still going thur MSQ and about to hit endgame. Tho yes I read the forums you don't see me asking for things to be changed before I even hit the content. That's like asking the food store to change the flavors before you even try out said food. Noone will take you seriously and they shouldn't.

[Melichoir]

No-one's forcing people to entertain anything. If you don't like the point/thread, ignore it and move on. Don't get why people think replying with comments like 'lol lvl25 alt who cares' actually does anything beyond proving they got bothered enough to respond to a thread they supposedly don't care about.

You don't have to be at endgame to recognise how basic XIV's gearing system is, or how repetitive their dungeon format is, when it's hardly any different at lower levels. I mean, you can still like the game in spite of these things, but let's not act like because someone isn't at endgame any criticisms raised about XIV are automatically void.

OP specifically mentions level 80 content, and speaks about it as though theyve been doing it, but are instead making a long wall of text with a lvl 25 alt. And that is being charitable. Why make this choice and why should anyone humor someone who wont even post with a character that is level 80 so that we can take the criticisms seriously, particularly if they referencing end game content.

Ive no problem addressing the points, but will only do so if I can see we're gonna have a serious conversation with someone whos actually invested time and effort into playing the game. But your position seems to be "Shut up unless you take their points seriously!" despite not even knowing if theyve participated in said content theyre criticizing. If the OP wants to have a serious conversation, post on their 80 and lets see what theyve been up to. Otherwise either this really is just a sprout talking out their butt or a troll looking to waste time.

[FeliAiko]

OP specifically mentions level 80 content, and speaks about it as though theyve been doing it, but are instead making a long wall of text with a lvl 25 alt. And that is being charitable. Why make this choice and why should anyone humor someone who wont even post with a character that is level 80 so that we can take the criticisms seriously, particularly if they referencing end game content.

Ive no problem addressing the points, but will only do so if I can see we're gonna have a serious conversation with someone whos actually invested time and effort into playing the game. But your position seems to be "Shut up unless you take their points seriously!" despite not even knowing if theyve participated in said content theyre criticizing. If the OP wants to have a serious conversation, post on their 80 and lets see what theyve been up to. Otherwise either this really is just a sprout talking out their butt or a troll looking to waste time.

Don't understand why whether they post on a main or alt makes a difference. It's either you agree with their points or you don't. If someone says that raid boss attacks are heavily scripted, that statement doesn't become incorrect because they posted it on a lvl10 account.

My position is if you don't like the thread/content, ignore it and move on. All you people that feel inclined to respond with comments like 'I don't care, your opinion is irrelevant', 'lol troll look at their character level' etc. do is just help keep the thread alive, or show you can't respond to criticism rationally but only emotionally. Then you wonder why the OF ends up getting troll posts (that you also end up replying to, giving the person the reaction they were looking for)

[Gameovers]

Don't understand why whether they post on a main or alt makes a difference. It's either you agree with their points or you don't. If someone says that raid boss attacks are heavily scripted, that statement doesn't become incorrect because they posted it on a lvl10 account.

My position is if you don't like the thread/content, ignore it and move on. All you people that feel inclined to respond with comments like 'I don't care, your opinion is irrelevant', 'lol troll look at their character level' etc. do is just help keep the thread alive, or show you can't respond to criticism rationally but only emotionally. Then you wonder why the OF ends up getting troll posts (that you also end up replying to, giving the person the reaction they were looking for)

The problem with people who comment on stuff they didn't do or posting on an alt account is simply untrustable. Like how do you know thats what they think and they aren't just reposting stuff they heard? Even if it is true the person wouldn't know that. You and I may know that but the person saying it doesn't know that which makes their debate void. They can't talk about it cause they only have info from other people and not from their own experience. And if they are at endgame but posting on an alt it just looks fishy. Why post on an alt and make your thread or comment look fishy? Cause no matter how you slice it it looks odd complaining about endgame and we all see a level 25 character. Let me spin this another way. you're level 80. Lets say you come and make a thread saying that endgame is too easy. you're at 80 so sure.. but we look at your profile and see you didn't unlock anything at endgame. You just finished the MSQ and came here and said "Endgame is too easy." Are we supposed to take your word and seriously debate it like you know this? That's why posting on your main matters when you're talking about content. I cannot say endgame is -whatever- because I have not unlocked endgame yet. And until we find out otherwise that's what the OP is doing.

[Shurrikhan]

The problem with people who comment on stuff they didn't do or posting on an alt account is simply untrustable. Like how do you know thats what they think and they aren't just reposting stuff they heard? Even if it is true the person wouldn't know that.

But... we do. The OP doesn't have to be the organizer for any and all conversations to follow.

His idea of "fights feel too scripted" may differ from your own, just as your own criteria for "too scripted", "too chaotic" or "Goldilocks' perfect fight" will likely differ from every other Savage raider, but what does that matter so long as it (1) resonates with you and (2) you can define your criteria?

Personally, I used to run all DPS on this character and my tanks and healers on another (who, ultimately tended to get further in content because it was easier to PuG on a non-DPS). Grad school or full-time hours aside, one of the main reasons I stopped bothering so much with that duo is that any time I dared step into a conversation, despite displaying more precise knowledge than the other level 80, I'd be called out according to my lodestone profile (and its lack of say, GNB, my main on my primary alt). (Hell, I've had people convinced that all my knowledge of DRG must be feigned, only to then say I know nothing about DRK the moment I swapped over to my 80 DRG alt. I must not know AST because it's only 77, so I swap to my new healer alt I'd been enjoying at hit AST 80 on and now I must not know anything about Savage. ...And don't even dare show up to a DRK thread with "Marauder Lv 80" under your character.) All this is on a game that punishes multi-role play on a single character by way of weekly rewards.

At some point you're going to have to interface with the arguments themselves insofar as they topically resonate with you or or seem sketchy to you -- by way of their actual content, not just the poster's levels. Anything less is not only overcomplicating, but self-defeating for the community.

I'm not asking that anyone assume someone merely misspoke when they make a mistake. I'm not asking that you assume everyone has as little or as much experience as you. I'm not asking that people who've yet to figure out how to enjoy a job go unquestioned when desiring sweeping revisions to it, but such a thread can at least stimulate some discussion into how a job could be made more intuitive or the game might better scaffold understanding of its (and others') systems.

[FeliAiko]

The problem with people who comment on stuff they didn't do or posting on an alt account is simply untrustable. Like how do you know thats what they think and they aren't just reposting stuff they heard? Even if it is true the person wouldn't know that. You and I may know that but the person saying it doesn't know that which makes their debate void. They can't talk about it cause they only have info from other people and not from their own experience. And if they are at endgame but posting on an alt it just looks fishy. Why post on an alt and make your thread or comment look fishy? Cause no matter how you slice it it looks odd complaining about endgame and we all see a level 25 character. Let me spin this another way. you're level 80. Lets say you come and make a thread saying that endgame is too easy. you're at 80 so sure.. but we look at your profile and see you didn't unlock anything at endgame. You just finished the MSQ and came here and said "Endgame is too easy." Are we supposed to take your word and seriously debate it like you know this? That's why posting on your main matters when you're talking about content. I cannot say endgame is -whatever- because I have not unlocked endgame yet. And until we find out otherwise that's what the OP is doing.

I mean, the OP account is 8 years old with a post count exceeding 900. I imagine if it was someone trolling or just parroting stuff to rile ppl up or whatever the post history would give them away, so the 'they're on an alt so not trustworthy' doesn't hold weight really.