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    SpeckledBurd's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Renkei View Post
    I Mained Dragoon since 2.0. You obviously must of not seen when they buffed monk in the early 2.0 cycle and didn't touch DRG until final coil.
    That's not true at all, Check Log data on your claims and Monk has had top fights in previous expansions Lots of different fights, I know because IVE Personally Cleared those many fights with a MONK!

    Monk was superior in the Manipulator Fight in Gordias, I played with a Monk Through out my entire end game raiding cycle with the same exact Monk Since Second coil.

    Manipulator, Brute Justice, Refurbisher 0, Were all great fights for monk as well.

    The Closest fight in those cycles was cruise chaser.

    I have personal Experience playing with a Monk for From Second Coil, All the way until Eden gate. We've toughly looked at issues in the design and it's plain and obvious that Monk has some serious clunky issues in the recent expansion, But your statements doesn't even disprove the fact.

    Clearly your comment is just an attempt to Gas-light me I am fully aware that you and your close community has something out for me.
    You're forgetting that the DPS reports of Heavensward and Stormblood aren't at all comparable to the rDPS report metrics that are reported now.

    In those expansions fflogs didn't report raid DPS, they only reported personal damage. In those days Monk had a negative raid contribution due to forcing tanks into Tank Stance courtesy of it's lack of aggro control and forcing ranged to play TP song due to it's TP burn, while Heavensward was when Dragoon's raid contribution was at it's most powerful.

    In all of the fights you say Monk was "leading" in Heavensward, it was only by an incredibly slim margin of about 50-80~ personal DPS without considering what a Monk would do to the Tanks/Ranged party members by existing. This was when Dragoon was adding 200 DPS to any ranged you had in your party courtesy of the piercing debuff. That's more than enough to beat Monk's personal DPS alone by a huge margin for those days and it had an addition 150-200 DPS from Battle Litany on top of that. If the rDPS metric as it exists today were available for older fights, Monk in Heavensward would be as behind in rDPS as the ranged jobs are now, possibly more. The same is true for Stormblood, where even on fights like Demon Chadarnook when Monk was at its best and was able to do completely uninterrupted Tornado Kick rotation, the edge it had over Dragoon was only about 200 DPS which was eclipsed immediately by the piercing debuff and that gap was made even wider by both Dragon Sight and Battle Litany.

    Dragoon has been unequivocally better than Monk for every fight from 3.0 until 5.0 in a normal comp.
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    Last edited by SpeckledBurd; 09-10-2020 at 08:07 AM.