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    Renkei Fukai
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post


    I have mained Dragoon since Heavensward and are you kidding me? There has not been a single time since 3.0 where Dragoon wasn't superior.

    To say Monk isn't among the most shafted jobs in the game at this point is just wrong.
    I Mained Dragoon since 2.0. You obviously must of not seen when they buffed monk in the early 2.0 cycle and didn't touch DRG until final coil.
    That's not true at all, Check Log data on your claims and Monk has had top fights in previous expansions Lots of different fights, I know because IVE Personally Cleared those many fights with a MONK!

    Monk was superior in the Manipulator Fight in Gordias, I played with a Monk Through out my entire end game raiding cycle with the same exact Monk Since Second coil.

    Manipulator, Brute Justice, Refurbisher 0, Were all great fights for monk as well.

    The Closest fight in those cycles was cruise chaser.

    I have personal Experience playing with a Monk for From Second Coil, All the way until Eden gate. We've toughly looked at issues in the design and it's plain and obvious that Monk has some serious clunky issues in the recent expansion, But your statements doesn't even disprove the fact.

    Clearly your comment is just an attempt to Gas-light me I am fully aware that you and your close community has something out for me.

    Dragoon was NEVER the top spot in this expansion. Its ALWAYS been dominated by BLM,SMN, and SAM.

    This is something that has carried through in previous expansions too, and prior to Sam even existing it's always been BLM or SMN with some exceptions here and there.

    You claiming that "Dragoon Finally slipping from the tog dog spot" IS out of touch, MNK was only inferior to DRG When Fist of Fire HAD the speed reduction, As soon as they fixed it They shot up to top melee, and then NIN got Buffed following it taking the crown, This shifted DRG into Third. At NO TIME IN THIS EXPANSION HAS DRG BEEN TOP DPS.

    Matter of fact the only time DRG was DEFACTO best DPS was FINAL COIL, but the damage margin was so incredibly small it absolutely didn't even matter! (it beat MNK by 15 dps out of 718 i believe. whopping 733.)

    All you did was attempt to make me question my View point without attempting to view actual Data, META doesn't always imply BEST, I'm waiting for you guys to understand that by opening a dictionary. Maybe when you learn how to META VIEW this discussion you'll start to understand that.

    Popular choices doesn't mean the job is the best.
    Dragoon is a Popular job that is being spun as broken because you are twice as likely to run into one outputting good damage regardless if they are IN or OUT of Standardized Misnomer "Meta".

    I think its important to look at ALL balance with an systematic review.

    Meta-analysis can be tainted because half of your information is from your community or your peers, How can you conduct Meta-analysis's without a systematic review is beyond me.

    The only True statement that occurs for you is that they should change monk, But i also think they should change DRG, but first they need to change BRD, and MCH , And Honestly they have VERY limited solutions but to offload all Support RDPS abilities on to ranged classes because of the HUGE Front-loading of DNC.

    Look I'm not implying DRG Isn't unplayable, but Neither was monk before they changed it, and after they changed it, and now its still out performing DRG and they plan on changing it again? To what? Top DPS? By the time they come around to DRG At least we will be doing more damage then BRD.

    The only Changes are Proposed, 15 Second Fang/Wheeling, Renovation of Eyes, Removal of Dragon-Sight and shifting damage over to other abilities, these are all ideas for future improvement.

    Lets Try having some Discourse about FFXIV-Balance here by Offering Solutions without shooting other people down, It does NOTHING for the community to behave in that fashion.
    Lets not try having a monopoly on this discourse by carrying views of an outside community into the forums to control balance decisions.
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    Last edited by Renkei; 09-09-2020 at 10:39 PM.