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    Renkei Fukai
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd View Post
    You're forgetting that the DPS reports of Heavensward and Stormblood aren't at all comparable to the rDPS report metrics that are reported now.

    In those expansions fflogs didn't report raid DPS, they only reported personal damage. In those days Monk had a negative raid contribution due to forcing tanks into Tank Stance courtesy of it's lack of aggro control and forcing ranged to play TP song due to it's TP burn, while Heavensward was when Dragoon's raid contribution was at it's most powerful.

    In all of the fights you say Monk was "leading" in Heavensward, it was only by an incredibly slim margin of about 50-80~ personal DPS without considering what a Monk would do to the Tanks/Ranged party members by existing. This was when Dragoon was adding 200 DPS to any ranged you had in your party courtesy of the piercing debuff. That's more than enough to beat Monk's personal DPS alone by a huge margin for those days and it had an addition 150-200 DPS from Battle Litany on top of that. If the rDPS metric as it exists today were available for older fights, Monk in Heavensward would be as behind in rDPS as the ranged jobs are now, possibly more. The same is true for Stormblood, where even on fights like Demon Chadarnook when Monk was at its best and was able to do completely uninterrupted Tornado Kick rotation, the edge it had over Dragoon was only about 200 DPS which was eclipsed immediately by the piercing debuff and that gap was made even wider by both Dragon Sight and Battle Litany.

    Dragoon has been unequivocally better than Monk for every fight from 3.0 until 5.0 in a normal comp.
    You say that then continue to try comparing the two metrics to each-other. So it's okay for you to compare but not me?

    Bard Using Army's Paeon was absolutely normal in play during that time period, it was always NORMAL even through out ARR. It was important to Invigorate as Early as you can without clipping its potency.

    Ripping Hate off Tanks? That is Not normal what so ever, Through out all of heavenwards that was never an issue for our tanks, Maybe at your level of play it was but not my groups.

    I want them to Change MNK because its Clunky.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    Thanks. We all needed a laugh.
    Okay? How is this even constructive? Maybe because it's not? I expect no less from two representatives of "The Balance".

    The Truth is pretty funny isn't it. I mean you wouldn't know because your told what to think.
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    Last edited by Renkei; 09-11-2020 at 10:39 PM.