$35, really SE?

[StriderShinryu]

The top piece is, to my knowledge, the only corset wearable on its own and in addition to that good looking and it does not remove the ruffled skirt. It's a great glamour piece. I'll have to see the boob situation myself when I fantasia back to female but the top seems to flatten them a little like many other tops in the game do.

Oh, absolutely. If I could buy the top by itself (and for a lower price) I would consider buying it myself. It's not at all a bad piece. I just find it interesting that so many people are up in arms over a $35 account wide mount when, at least at a glance, it appears a lot more people are buying an $18 single character only shirt. Sort of missing the forest for the trees.

[Alleo]

You're really just setting yourself up for disappointment here. People have been saying they could make any and every one of these unique mounts a quest reward; from the Carbuncles to the Spriggan. They aren't going to. Even if they did eventually want to put a unique mount like this into the game, you certainly wouldn't be getting it for a fifteen minute quest but through a lengthily grind you otherwise wouldn't want to partake in. Case in point, Astrope. The whole idea being to incentivize content.

At this stage, SE is well aware of people's divisive opinions on the Mogstation. They either don't care and/or said opinions aren't enough to offset how many people are either indifferent or willing to purchase whatever item tickles their fancy. Either way, it isn't going to change and we'll be right back here the next time they release a new mount and people pitch a fit over it.

Oh I know but that doesnt mean that I wont post my opinion anyways. Even if it will never be heard or ignored by them but at least I can say to myself that I have done anything that I could have done. And who knows...if maybe the backlash is enough (just like with housing) they might at least decrease the amount of money it would cost which would be at least a small little victory.

People just shutting up and not saying anything at all might just make it even worse..so yeah sry but I will continue to post my opinion.

Right, because there's total correspondence between a loan shark and a simple offer of "I give you an item, you give me money in return". I feel like SE actually does these on purpose so that the obvious outraged crowd can crawl out of the woodwork with their manufactured outrage and get schooled by any other average player. Oh wait, I mean any other whale.

"All the time we got an increase in sub" - when were those exactly? Because I've been playing since early HW and I'm still paying the same sub. Google doesn't show anything about sub rises. And the regional pricing are completely different matters.

And now we've gone into "buying 1 mount means you're a whale" again. Because I'm sure SE is releasing enough mounts for a steady income...

PSA - spending 1 cent in the cash shop means you're now a whale and you should just take harassment from freeloaders and shut up.

Its still funny that they included that kind of theme while releasing the most expensive mount at the same time. Even if ingame it was a loan shark..it was still about the money.

Sorry about the increase in sub, I meant the increase in numbers. Last we heard, that we got like 1 million active subs..that is one huge amount of money..then the amount of money they make with each expansion, then the amount of money alone for fantasia, retainers and other such services...I am sorry if that is not enough to finance the game any further than this game is doing horrible bad..and if SE takes too much money away from them then maybe Yoshida, who is on the board of directors, should put a foot down for their cash cow.

Where did I say that you are a whale? I said that people might want to watch a certain video that is titled that way that is done by a CEO, who knows exactly how the industry messes with their customers to get the most amount of money. The INDUSTRY calls certain people that way. Its a sad fact...I want people to know that there is a huge possibility that all those talk about the cash shop being necessary is just PR talk..you can buy whatever you want of course but people really should stop trying to defend their purchases as if they are doing good deeds for the company. Just stand up to your purchase, its fine.

Quest reward? Mount for 4 players as a reward for 15min quest?
Its just a pure cosmetic thing, 4 person mounts have no use outside of Eureka or Rp maybe, and even if, we already had 2 in game.
Yes one of them is Regalia which isnt avaible now, but the other one is realtively easy to get, of course if a person want it and are aware that it require a bit of work.
You people really want everything handed to you on silver plate....

Are you know saying that paying real money is now considered work? At least if they are a quest reward, people needed to play the game to get it. Now you just need to open your wallet. ö_Ö I dont see how that is in any form some kind of work.

And its not like they had to put it behind the quest either..we got a certain "new" content with the unreal trials..you know instead of putting that unicorn behind it, they could have used that mount for it. That would have been work and a good reward.

[ErysNight]

Are you know saying that paying real money is now considered work? At least if they are a quest reward, people needed to play the game to get it. Now you just need to open your wallet. ö_Ö I dont see how that is in any form some kind of work.

And its not like they had to put it behind the quest either..we got a certain "new" content with the unreal trials..you know instead of putting that unicorn behind it, they could have used that mount for it. That would have been work and a good reward.

Making money IRL is significantly more work than anything you're doing in game to get a free 4 person mount. IRL dollars are valued much higher to a lot of people which is why this thread began in the first place.

Opening your wallet comes with a lot more connotations than you're giving credit. If it didn't, people wouldn't try to downplay people that are better off by calling them whales.

Money doesn't grow on trees or come easy for some people. So let people enjoy themselves, if they didn't have the time to get the Regalia, or missed the event, it's nice that SE has an optional alternative for those that can afford it/want it.

[SturmChurro]

Are you know saying that paying real money is now considered work? At least if they are a quest reward, people needed to play the game to get it. Now you just need to open your wallet. ö_Ö I dont see how that is in any form some kind of work.

Uhh... yes, actually. You have to work to make money. At least normal people do.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Oh I know but that doesnt mean that I wont post my opinion anyways. Even if it will never be heard or ignored by them but at least I can say to myself that I have done anything that I could have done. And who knows...if maybe the backlash is enough (just like with housing) they might at least decrease the amount of money it would cost which would be at least a small little victory.

People just shutting up and not saying anything at all might just make it even worse..so yeah sry but I will continue to post my opinion.




Its still funny that they included that kind of theme while releasing the most expensive mount at the same time. Even if ingame it was a loan shark..it was still about the money.

Sorry about the increase in sub, I meant the increase in numbers. Last we heard, that we got like 1 million active subs..that is one huge amount of money..then the amount of money they make with each expansion, then the amount of money alone for fantasia, retainers and other such services...I am sorry if that is not enough to finance the game any further than this game is doing horrible bad..and if SE takes too much money away from them then maybe Yoshida, who is on the board of directors, should put a foot down for their cash cow.

Where did I say that you are a whale? I said that people might want to watch a certain video that is titled that way that is done by a CEO, who knows exactly how the industry messes with their customers to get the most amount of money. The INDUSTRY calls certain people that way. Its a sad fact...I want people to know that there is a huge possibility that all those talk about the cash shop being necessary is just PR talk..you can buy whatever you want of course but people really should stop trying to defend their purchases as if they are doing good deeds for the company. Just stand up to your purchase, its fine.



Are you know saying that paying real money is now considered work? At least if they are a quest reward, people needed to play the game to get it. Now you just need to open your wallet. ö_Ö I dont see how that is in any form some kind of work.

And its not like they had to put it behind the quest either..we got a certain "new" content with the unreal trials..you know instead of putting that unicorn behind it, they could have used that mount for it. That would have been work and a good reward.

I'm convinced this person has no idea how being a company works. Also, no he's talking about the 4 seater mount from eden savage. Do the work, get the reward. Plain and simple.

[DBriggs304]

Yup...I bought it...

But we all know that poor little chocobo couldn't pull that carriage while flying...

[Infindox]

Oh, absolutely. If I could buy the top by itself (and for a lower price) I would consider buying it myself. It's not at all a bad piece. I just find it interesting that so many people are up in arms over a $35 account wide mount when, at least at a glance, it appears a lot more people are buying an $18 single character only shirt. Sort of missing the forest for the trees.

I actually think the glamour on the mog station is of a more glaring issue then any of the mounts. There's many sets I wish were sold "piecemeal" for cheaper as well as complete. I wouldn't be caught dead in the complete Oktoberfest outfit but having the top would be nice. Same with the carbuncle ears.

[Alleo]

I'm convinced this person has no idea how being a company works. Also, no he's talking about the 4 seater mount from eden savage. Do the work, get the reward. Plain and simple.

If you mean me then yes I know perfectly well how a company works, which is excatly why I dont buy some of the PR talk that Yoshida says.

And no he did not only talk about the savage mount. His anwer was directly to me (and others) saying that this could have been a perfect quest rewards which in his opinion was not enough work for that. Which for me is funny because right now the only work to do is to open your wallet. I mean if we see it like that then why should we ever get a new mount "for free" ingame again? I mean there a quite the numbers of normal mounts to choose right?

And if paying rl money for a digital good is work then doing it in a quest is work too. You have to after all pay real life money for the sub and the expansion and on top of that have to play the game in some kind of way.

Making money IRL is significantly more work than anything you're doing in game to get a free 4 person mount. IRL dollars are valued much higher to a lot of people which is why this thread began in the first place.

Opening your wallet comes with a lot more connotations than you're giving credit. If it didn't, people wouldn't try to downplay people that are better off by calling them whales.

Money doesn't grow on trees or come easy for some people. So let people enjoy themselves, if they didn't have the time to get the Regalia, or missed the event, it's nice that SE has an optional alternative for those that can afford it/want it.

So you are saying that opening up your wallet (and how the people earned the money is completely different for each of them) is harder than for example putting the mount behind Ultimate and clearing that? (Which would in turn be opening your wallet to pay the sub and expansion, and a huge amount of time and dedication and skill to beat it..that imo is much harder than just opening your wallets.)

Also wouldnt it be better to put the mount inside the game (which you still need to pay the sub for if you even want to use the mount..) if it should be so great for those that missed the other four seaters instead of people having to pay for it? Again why does it need to be in the mog station for that and exactly which such a high amount of money? (With that kind of money you would have nearly been able to buy Shadowbringers)

And sry whales is a definition done by the gaming industry for a certain part of their customers. If you buy one item you are probably not a whale. Most of the companies count regular spenders as those (some already if you spent 25 dollars per month, some with a higher sum).

In the end I dont care if you buy one or not. I will not talk you down ingame for it either. I WILL continue to voice my opinion against SE and not just be fine with it...because at the very start this whole cash shop started out as event only..and there people warned others that this will change and that we will get unique stuff in it. There they got told to shut up and not be so dramatic and see where we are now..If nobody complains about the items and/or the prices then SE might just increase them more and more...which is good for none of us. (Only if you really want to spend x amount of money with each item but then I doubt that its about the item itself but about showing off that you are able to purchase something like that)

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

[QUOTE=Alleo;5418247]If you mean me then yes I know perfectly well how a company works, which is excatly why I dont buy some of the PR talk that Yoshida says.

And no he did not only talk about the savage mount. His anwer was directly to me (and others) saying that this could have been a perfect quest rewards which in his opinion was not enough work for that. Which for me is funny because right now the only work to do is to open your wallet. I mean if we see it like that then why should we ever get a new mount "for free" ingame again? I mean there a quite the numbers of normal mounts to choose right?

And if paying rl money for a digital good is work then doing it in a quest is work too. You have to after all pay real life money for the sub and the expansion and on top of that have to play the game in some kind of way.

He was talking about two ways to get 4 seater mounts in game. So yes, he was talking about savage as the other option was the regalia, which he also mentioned was no longer available. Seriously, read things before you comment. If you're this upset about an optional item that doesn't affect how you play the game then you might need to take some time off.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

As with everything, Late-stage capitalism and neoliberal ideology will be the downfall of this game and this industry.