$35, really SE?

[ErysNight]

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It depends on each individuals life.

You are arguing from a perspective that is self-centered without the capacity to look at it from a holistic viewpoint. I said "let people have fun" as in the mogstation directly supports some individuals ability to have nice things in game with their lifestyle. Elaboration to follow:

I acknowledge that some people might think clearing ultimate is harder than working a job. I'm not downplaying people that have the time to devote to ultimate clears, I watch the ultimate streams and cheer them on. I think it takes considerable time and attention to clear those fights, but at the end of the day do I think that's harder than my real life job? Nah, not even close. A $15 sub for that month, plus whatever time they spent on that ultimate content, does not outweigh the time it takes me to earn $35 in regards to work and effort.

We don't have to agree here, just clarifying my stance. Also no, imo it wouldn't be better. Again, some of us have jobs and full lives. Our time is more valuable than money. I would rather have the option of buying a nice 4-seater mount months AFTER that kind of option is available in game (So it's not even like SE put something functionally exclusive on the shop) people can get the type of item first through game play), than not have the option at all because the only way I could get it, is by dedicating time I don't have to a virtual fight.

Expecting everyone to have the same time to dedicate to this game is not realistic and I'm glad SE understands this. It's not pay to win, it's a means of including people with different lifestyles.

The mogstation is an optional enhancement the game. This is another point where we'll converge, but I don't think that we deserve more than we're getting for our dirt cheap sub. I have thoughts on people that are really contesting a $15 monthly sub, but I don't think I can constructively post my thoughts without being offensive.

All that to say SE putting exclusively developed items in the cash shop is diversity which is good. Not all players want to have to divest hours into the game for one kind of item when their time can be spent on content they actually enjoy and is fun. I'm not clearing ultimates for a 4 seater mount, life is short, our time on earth is limited, I'll play the content I enjoy in game and am glad SE offers alternatives to get the functional items elsewhere.

Agree to disagree. SE if you see this, I can't wait for the next item you'll add. I'll be there to buy it and support!

[Moonlite]

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I would fully support your post if SE added an in game system to also obtain items. It could be BDO level grinding. They would probably pay more attention to bots /laugh. That way people who could care less what something costs because they value time and people who value real life money could both have the same experience.



The hate for cash shop isn't going anywhere and the cash shop isn't going anywhere either. SE has probably lost a few subs over it, it can be a tipping point. 14 is in a sweet spot at the moment, the MMO market is pretty bleak right now.

[ErysNight]

I would fully support your post if SE added an in game system to also obtain items. It could be BDO level grinding. They would probably pay more attention to bots /laugh. That way people who could care less what something costs because they value time and people who value real life money could both have the same experience.

The hate for cash shop isn't going anywhere and the cash shop isn't going anywhere either. SE has probably lost a few subs over it, it can be a tipping point. 14 is in a sweet spot at the moment, the MMO market is pretty bleak right now.

Ooh, I agree with you. I'm not specifically advocating for it to be Mogstation exclusive, I just like the fact that the option is there for people with less time. The diversity of acquisition is what's important to me. Considering making gil is incredibly easy in this game and there are so many players sitting on mountains of it, having these items be available at an in-game vendor for gil would be fantastic.

I don't know if SE would ever do that though, but real money, or gil would be fine by me.

[DPZ2]

As with everything, Late-stage capitalism and neoliberal ideology will be the downfall of this game and this industry.

What does that even mean?

[linayar]

SE added an in game system to also obtain items.

Nah, I prefer if it were exclusive, either to the game or to the cash shop. I don't want shop consideration to affect in-game content that directly or vice versa.

[kaynide]

Nah, I prefer if it were exclusive, either to the game or to the cash shop. I don't want shop consideration to affect in-game content that directly or vice versa.

I wouldn't mind if it were tied to achievement certificates or whatever they're called, especially since the Veteran Rewards are super lacking. Something like 1 certificate to 1 crysta?

[SturmChurro]

I would fully support your post if SE added an in game system to also obtain items. It could be BDO level grinding. They would probably pay more attention to bots /laugh. That way people who could care less what something costs because they value time and people who value real life money could both have the same experience.



The hate for cash shop isn't going anywhere and the cash shop isn't going anywhere either. SE has probably lost a few subs over it, it can be a tipping point. 14 is in a sweet spot at the moment, the MMO market is pretty bleak right now.

They have obviously earned more money from the cash shop, than lost due to disgruntled customers over the cash shop. Like, no question. Not enough to even be noticeable, probably.

For that matter, every mmo game out right now pretty much has a cash shop, and not only that, a more egregious cash shop than SE. Charging five extra dollars for a mount of this type is completely in-line with their current pricing. Do I think that most of their shop is overpriced? Heck yeah, and I don't buy most of the things in it. Now I do have a weak spot for outfits, I'll say that, but even those are pretty much industry standard. When you see that price tag '$18 dollars USD', or '$35 dollars USD', it may look bad, but other games are actually charging MORE for similar items, are obfuscating this by using fake currency, and receiving seemingly less of an outrage. Not only using "limited time" schemes (artificial scarcity), and charging exorbitant amounts of money, or loot boxes. Don't even get me started on BDO's shop in general, at least when I played, that was a mess. What I am trying to say is , even with the feigned outrage over this mount, SE isn't going to be hurting over players, because of it. I highly doubt the cash shop would be a reason to ever leave this game for another MMO, when that other MMO will most likely have a WORSE cash shop than this one.

Hundreds upon hundreds of hours (minimum) for cash shop items, in most of these games. Egregious. SE would never do mogstation products for gil either.

[Luna-M]

Honestly? I've always found the prices of the cash shop exaggerated. But since people keep buying the stuff in the shop regardless, I guess SE will keep exploiting this.

If you think SE is having exaggerated prices, don't look at what blizzard is doing.

[Infindox]

I would fully support your post if SE added an in game system to also obtain items. It could be BDO level grinding.

I don't want this. People will then start complaining how bad/horrible the grind is and then people will go "just buy the damn thing!" constantly. Though I do like the idea I've seen of using achievement points for credit towards one (I've been sitting on so many for ages).

[Alleo]

He was talking about two ways to get 4 seater mounts in game. So yes, he was talking about savage as the other option was the regalia, which he also mentioned was no longer available. Seriously, read things before you comment. If you're this upset about an optional item that doesn't affect how you play the game then you might need to take some time off.

And I was talking about giving the mount out with the recent event quest which afterwards he said that with the current four seaters in the game we dont need that and that it would be less work. Which I answered that I dont see it as less work if you only buy it. (Also my point still stands..why would the existance of other four seaters in the game stop it from being something from the game too? We dont stop getting new one seater mounts even if we already have quite a few of them)

So yes I read the stuff before I post. Also if me posting about my opinions makes you so angry that you need to attack me like that maybe its better to step away from the thread a bit. Unlike some others I dont call people bootlickers and other names. I only point out how the industry see certain people..I also said more than once that I am fine with people spending money on these things, I own cash shop items too...I am not fine with what SE is doing. (And as a collector this stuff does effect my game because mounts and pets are rewards for content which I now cant get if I dont spent money..and every unique mount put directly in the cash shop is one reward less that could have increased the life of ingame content...)

If you think SE is having exaggerated prices, don't look at what blizzard is doing.

Another company being even worse does not take away that this is the most expensive mount in the cash shop. Also as far as I know you can buy every cash shop item ingame if you have enough of a certain currency and if people sell that.

A system I wish would be in the game itself. Those of us with real income to spend on that but less time ingame can buy them and sell the stuff too (earning themselves huge amount of Gil without farming for it) while the rest of us may buy it from them. Win Win for both sides. At least this gives people a chance to get it by playing the game.

Or give it to people as a limited sub time reward and then stick it in the mog station..here people can sub and get it as a thank you and still buy it later if they missed it.