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    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Edie Ul'mehdi
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    Siren
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Seddrinth View Post
    I think for every "know streamer" there are 10s of thousands of non-streamer players who just want to enjoy end game content and improve themselves. You just don't notice them because they mind their own business and don't bother other people. It's a bad message to send to new players that this game doesn't allow parsers, because they will not be able to find the programs easily. If these self-help tools were made available then you would be helping a lot of players better enjoy their gameplay experience.
    Years of case studies of parse tools show they are very often used poorly and for shaming and it's the "Don't ask, Don't tell" mentality that stops the majority of that behaviour for fear of reprisal.

    If we had an official tool, the shaming behaviour would increase exponentially. I still remember the huge discussion about it in Rift, when Trion caved and put in an official parser, it immediately started being used for bad.

    "Don't ask, Don't tell" and unsupported is how it should stay.
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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Years of case studies of parse tools show
    Yeah okay sure thing.

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    Q'hahtoa Quah
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Years of case studies of parse tools show they are very often used poorly and for shaming and it's the "Don't ask, Don't tell" mentality that stops the majority of that behaviour for fear of reprisal.

    If we had an official tool, the shaming behaviour would increase exponentially. I still remember the huge discussion about it in Rift, when Trion caved and put in an official parser, it immediately started being used for bad.

    "Don't ask, Don't tell" and unsupported is how it should stay.
    Parsing isn't toxic, people are. If ACT disappeared today, do you think that would stop assholes being assholes? Nope. People who use ACT to belittle people would carry on belittling people if it went away. That's a fact.

    99% of people who parse are doing it for reasons which include personal improvement, optimization, fighting for spots on leader boards and only care about it in ex/savage/ultimate content.

    Ironically, the other 1%, the people who parse you in a dungeon and call you out etc, are on the whole casual players who think they are hot shit.

    Been playing this game since 2014, and yet to see a situation where someone is shaming others over parses. In 7000 hours.
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    Player Seddrinth's Avatar
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    Absdihfskv Dijsijsdsl
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    Adamantoise
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Years of case studies of parse tools show they are very often used poorly and for shaming and it's the "Don't ask, Don't tell" mentality that stops the majority of that behaviour for fear of reprisal.

    If we had an official tool, the shaming behaviour would increase exponentially. I still remember the huge discussion about it in Rift, when Trion caved and put in an official parser, it immediately started being used for bad.

    "Don't ask, Don't tell" and unsupported is how it should stay.
    I played Rift for many years. There are no official parsers. Every parser is a 3rd party add on.
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