Why people still USE ACT knowing their breaking TOS ??

[LittleImp]

Yet that's not what it's used for, and that's the main issue. The very fact that parsers and parse websites for FFXIV involuntarily parse others proves that.

Logging sites have an important function in making pug raiding more viable. The ability to preemptively understand if a given party or player is even capable, and thus worth investing the time in, is an important factor in avoiding potential frustration.

I do however think that certain categories on FFlogs should be opt-in; There's really no reason that that anything outside of content with hard requirements like ex/savage/ulti should be logged by default.

But again- that's not how the parsing system works, the website only lets you opt out but that means the vast majority of players who have no interest in being part of the parsing community, who often wouldn't even know about the website, are forced into it regardless. The thing is, it's never 'enough' for the parsing community to use this for self improvement and clearing premade content- if it were fflogs would purely be an opt in website solely used and solely with information on players who want to use it for self improvement.

Making it globally opt-in would significantly limit its usefulness as part of the pug vetting process in high-end content. There's a decent chance it would lead to people sequestering themselves and refusing to allow anyone who hadn't opted in into their parties. As for causing toxicity "every single time", that's honestly just an absurd claim. ACT usage is extremely widespread, and it's an extremely small minority of users actively using it to hurt others. With most people who use it, you'll just never know.

I have over 10k hours logged in FFXIV over the years, and raid something like 4-5 times a week, usually pugging. In that time I can only recall three cases of actual direct parse toxicity, and I personally reported all 3 cases. The vast majority of toxicity I've encountered in-game has either come in casual settings and had nothing to do with parsing, or from insane Roleplay related drama.

Yet still this topic keeps coming up because SE isn't willing to let parsers openly name and shame or treat others like garbage- because that's really what this is about, SE is letting you use it in a non-toxic way, but people want to use it in a toxic way and are mad SE won't let you.

A lot of people in the high-end community are tired of being unfairly demonized by a subset of the community that is frankly obsessively fixated on something that barely affects them in day-to-day gameplay. If you aren't doing high-end content, there's really no good reason to spend a bunch of energy fixating on this issue. This thread wasn't started by someone who wanted parsers to be allowed publicly; It was started by someone looking to stir the pot and frame people who use them in a bad light. That is the case with many of these threads, and posts on the subreddit.

If you were a roleplayer and people were constantly saying that all roleplay does is cause drama, and that all people that do it are bad people, wouldn't you feel the need to defend yourself and the thing that you care about?

[ElciaDeiLinus]

The ability to preemptively understand if a given party or player is even capable, and thus worth investing the time in, is an important factor in avoiding potential frustration.

Which can be done with opt in, nothing's going to ever force you to not have requirements for your premades- whether that be opting in, using guides, having optimized gear, etc...

Making it globally opt-in would significantly limit its usefulness as part of the pug vetting process in high-end content. There's a decent chance it would lead to people sequestering themselves and refusing to allow anyone who hadn't opted in into their parties.

I have complete faith that when it comes to dumping on casuals, the parsing community will always find a way.

If parse toxicity is being kept infrequent in this game while in every other game it's one of the top causes of it- maybe SE's handling of it shouldn't change?

In that time I can only recall three cases of actual direct parse toxicity, and I personally reported all 3 cases.

"I am an X player, so I know that X players are never toxic and Y players never experience toxicity". What's toxic? Last discussion on the forums about a streamer who got banned made it clear most of the community considers not chain pulling an instance as a tank to be toxic, but telling your followers on stream to target and harass a specific player you refer to as a r#$%@# as perfectly fine.

Now, someone doing something like that isn't proof that it's a widespread problem- but when there's a thread full of people defending that and saying that's not toxic behaviour then the whole 'there's no toxicity towards casuals' line becomes very questionable.

A lot of people in the high-end community are tired of being unfairly demonized by a subset of the community that is frankly obsessively fixated on something that barely affects them in day-to-day gameplay.

It literally would not affect them at all if the people who are tired of being 'unfairly demonized' weren't so obsessively fixated on forcing them to take part of something that as you say, should barely affect them at all. Also- where's this unfair demonization anyway? Casuals generally just want to play the game, they rarely join forums or reddits- and these forums in particular are drenched in complaints about casual players. These forums are an echo chamber of elitists complaining about how much casuals are trying to silence them- with no casuals in sight actually doing that. It's easy to find youtube vids and reddit threads talking about how horrible these casuals who are nowhere to be found are for trying to shut everyone up- and despite this baffling mentality that you're being beset by this frankly disorganized casual playerbase, it really seems like casuals have no actual representation.