5.3 COMPLETE patch notes

[Veis_Alveare]

RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|

I literally RDM until a fight is basically smooth and then BLM after, or at least did last tier before I swapped to healing.

It isn't just training wheels for the party (for the raise) but also for me. I learn when the movement heavy parts of a fight are on a job that's nice and forgiving then I can adjust BLM to fit. This usually results in much less of a curve in my BLM parses too, since I'm starting on it with a baseline of where I need movement tools in mind.

RDM doesn't need to be a training wheels job for you but being mad at other people for using it as one is nonsense, it's a perfect fit.

[Liam_Harper]

but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|

Warrior belongs in the trash bin.

Whoa... easy on the double standards there.

[Eloah]

It was the most complex tank, but everything flowed really well. Parrying had a chance to pull Reprisal off cooldown (meaning you could spam it practically if you were MT), crits had a chance to pull Low Blow off cooldown so you could spam it, a constant MP degen while Darkside was up so you had to balance doing damage with keeping your MP up, possible to always have cooldowns up and on rotation, an actual 2nd DPS combo (I miss HW Delirium), Abyssal Drain was spammable (if you had the MP for it), and a DoT. Just from that, you can tell what all was ripped from my poor boy.

I miss HW DRK. What is miss most I think is Scourge, the DoT for those who don't know. I wish they'd give that back to us as an alternative combo finisher to use besides Soul Eater. I like the current version better than the SB version, but I miss the HW one, T.T

Bit disapointed how SCH once again got forgotten, less MP for its AoE Heal, nice but, i wish it would play more around, SCH has it the hardes on healing still, OCD Heals rely a lot on its aether stacks while WHM and AST have so many instant heals without conditions. I love paly SCH still but the class simply has to work far more to get the same effect then the other healers, it is a shame how it got butchered since the mass rework.

I mean, Emergency Tactics is on a 15sec CD and now Succor is more in line with the cost of Medica.

I think it's in a good spot.

It's not though. I'm not saying its in a bad spot, but it's still not where it once was. And I don't mean it being so overly strong compared to the other healers. The issue with SCH now is ironically the same issue it always has been the faerie, but reversed. I'll share what I was telling some FC mates.

"In regards to SCH, their potencies do need a bit of a tweak. But I feel its more on the faerie side of things moreso. Maybe a flat buff to Physick like make it 450 or 500, but when they tried to adjust how the faerie fits into the kit they nerfed her a bit too much. Having that kind of adjustment was "fine" when SCH was the main healer that relied on oGCD heals. But since that's not a thing anymore, and WHM and AST not only have a plethora of oGCD heals, but ones that are instantaneous (no pet ai delay) and reliant on their own power, the faerie needs a fix."

Basically, they nerfed the faerie when she was "too strong" and that made sense then. But they kept nerfing her and not really adjusting the other abilities SCH has access to. All the meanwhile giving WHM and AST additional oGCD heals. Physick is the only heal on the SCH side that I think could use a boost. But everything else is on the Faerie side. Her heals are too weak now to compensate for what SCH's lack in raw power. Not to mention she's been integrated into our kit more. Additionally, SCH not only has to deal with pet heals having a lower output, but a delay as well. The other healers don't have to worry about that.

[Katie_Kitty]

I literally RDM until a fight is basically smooth and then BLM after, or at least did last tier before I swapped to healing.

It isn't just training wheels for the party (for the raise) but also for me. I learn when the movement heavy parts of a fight are on a job that's nice and forgiving then I can adjust BLM to fit. This usually results in much less of a curve in my BLM parses too, since I'm starting on it with a baseline of where I need movement tools in mind.

RDM doesn't need to be a training wheels job for you but being mad at other people for using it as one is nonsense, it's a perfect fit.

I don't care what you do. You can do whatever you want. But I do care when you go around intentionally telling other people that RDM is just a "training wheels" job. It's completely rude to people who love the job and play it as their main.

[LaylaTsarra]

I don't care what you do. You can do whatever you want. But I do care when you go around intentionally telling other people that RDM is just a "training wheels" job. It's completely rude to people who love the job and play it as their main.

I main WHM but RDM is my main dps job and I love it for it's heals and raise support. It's really under appreciated at times when you raise 10+ people including both healers in a duty and not get one comm.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Imagine getting upset about someone else's opinion over a fake class in a video game. Some people need to let their butts breathe from their chairs and step outside from time to time.

[ForteNightshade]

I don't care what you do. You can do whatever you want. But I do care when you go around intentionally telling other people that RDM is just a "training wheels" job. It's completely rude to people who love the job and play it as their main.

Yet on the same page, you said Warrior deserves to be in the trash bin. Wouldn't that also be classified as "completely rude to the people who love the job and play it as their main?"

And whether you like it or not, that was Red Mage's reputation until it was buffed. There's a reason TEA groups frequently excluded it from their recruitment ads or at least showed preference towards Black Mage and Summoner. Both were far and widely superior. When Summoner can boast nearly 1,000 more rDPS and also raise. Red Mage's value kind of falters.

[Katie_Kitty]

Imagine getting upset about someone else's opinion over a fake class in a video game. Some people need to let their butts breathe from their chairs and step outside from time to time.

Congratulations on being so far above the rest of us. Want a cookie?

[LittleChickenNugget]

Congratulations on being so far above the rest of us. Want a cookie?

What I wanna know is why you're boohooing over someone's opinion about Red Mage while at the same time trashing people who main Warrior. Can I have an answer to that?

[Katie_Kitty]

Yet on the same page, you said Warrior deserves to be in the trash bin. Wouldn't that also be classified as "completely rude to the people who love the job and play it as their main?"

And whether you like it or not, that was Red Mage's reputation until it was buffed. There's a reason TEA groups frequently excluded it from their recruitment ads or at least showed preference towards Black Mage and Summoner. Both were far and widely superior. When Summoner can boast nearly 1,000 more rDPS and also raise. Red Mage's value kind of falters.

Don't care in the slightest. If you're gonna try to shove my job into a box then yes I'm going to rebel against that. Don't like it? Then don't do it.

What I wanna know is why you're boohooing over someone's opinion about Red Mage while at the same time trashing people who main Warrior. Can I have an answer to that?

It's really simple. One is clearly a statement of opinion, the other a transparent attempt to present opinion as fact. I never once said "Warrior is this thing and should be played for this reason" yet the other person did say that about RDM.