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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Don't care in the slightest. If you're gonna try to shove my job into a box then yes I'm going to rebel against that. Don't like it? Then don't do it.
    Except your "rebellion" came in an entire separation conversation. You quoted someone who said nothing about Red Mage and trashed Warrior. The two were never related and now you're just backpedaling on being hypocritical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    There's no job in this game that's "complex." Your beloved summoner is not a hard job. If someone can't prog on their main job and need to play RDM to do it then clearly they do not know their main job very well, and are wasting their time playing a job they're not into just because they think it's somehow more okay to be mediocre on it than it is for them to be mediocre on their main. In fact, that goes double for summoners because their job is also excellent for prog.
    Black Mage requires you know the entire fight to properly optimize your movement tools. It is far and away harder to master than Red Mage, and is frankly useless in a prog setting since you aren't prioritizing damage. Therefore, many Black Mage mains will prog on Red Mage and strategize how the fight would go on Black Mage. It isn't a matter they can't prog on Black Mage, it's just harder. You can deny it all you fancy but Red Mage is considered the "easy" caster because, well, it is.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget View Post
    So we're just pretending the rest of us don't know what that user posted was that users opinion so we can pretend to be offended because we're bored and can't be in the game today?

    Alright, that explains all I need to know. Carry on.
    Hm? Perhaps you struggle with reading. Let me help you by pointing out the relevant text: "what RdM was before the buffs and still is for many parties: training wheels."

    This is an opinion to you? That's the hill you're choosing to die on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Hm? Perhaps you struggle with reading. Let me help you by pointing out the relevant text: "what RdM was before the buffs and still is for many parties: training wheels."

    This is an opinion to you? That's the hill you're choosing to die on?
    You're dying on a hill crying about a game. Red Mage is an easy class, there's no denying it. Is it fun? Sure it is. But a lot of people do use Red Mage to learn fights before bringing in more complex classes because they can watch everything from afar and know how to time things.
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    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Veis Alve'are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Hm? Perhaps you struggle with reading. Let me help you by pointing out the relevant text: "what RdM was before the buffs and still is for many parties: training wheels."

    This is an opinion to you? That's the hill you're choosing to die on?
    But it is a training wheels job to many parties.

    That isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

    It doesn't mean you can't play it for a different reason or that you're bad for liking it for other reasons but if you want to stick your head in the sand you do you I guess?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post



    That's nice, but if you think learning a fight on RDM is going to help you much on BLM, then I don't know what to tell ya. More likely, those BLMs do it for the chain rez more than because they think playing the fight on RDM is going to help them on BLM.
    But it does? Like, it tangibly does. You learn where it's movement heavy and then can plan your movement tools better than just starting on BLM and dropping all kinds of casts/eno.
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    Last edited by Veis_Alveare; 08-11-2020 at 10:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget View Post
    You're dying on a hill crying about a game. Red Mage is an easy class, there's no denying it. Is it fun? Sure it is. But a lot of people do use Red Mage to learn fights before bringing in more complex classes because they can watch everything from afar and know how to time things.
    There's no job in this game that's "complex." Your beloved summoner is not a hard job. If someone can't prog on their main job and need to play RDM to do it then clearly they do not know their main job very well, and are wasting their time playing a job they're not into just because they think it's somehow more okay to be mediocre on it than it is for them to be mediocre on their main. In fact, that goes double for summoners because their job is also excellent for prog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    There's no job in this game that's "complex." Your beloved summoner is not a hard job. If someone can't prog on their main job and need to play RDM to do it then clearly they do not know their main job very well, and are wasting their time playing a job they're not into just because they think it's somehow more okay to be mediocre on it than it is for them to be mediocre on their main. In fact, that goes double for summoners because their job is also excellent for prog.
    I don't play summoner but pop off. Your beloved red mage is easy, it's not an attack on you or other red mage mains. If you love your job don't worry about the opinions of others. This really is a silly hill.

    On the note of staying on topic though, might finish leveling up my warriors on my alts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget View Post
    Your beloved red mage is easy
    Just like every other job. Congrats on discovering the secret to FFXIV.
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    Asuka Kiyomi
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    Balmung
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    i'm just gonna slide in between this lil thing above me and say, i am liking the patch notes, Gunbraker in PvP is going to feel like a beast to fight, i like the war changes, i am just more curious on what the mounts will be in this patch besides the horse mount.
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    Regana Redwyne
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    What do you think that unicorn is from, anyway? "??? Extreme"? The background of the pic looks like Churning Mists' on a clear day to me.

    EDIT: Oh, wait. Is Shiva Unreal gonna drop a mount/tokens for a mount?
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    Last edited by Alleluia; 08-11-2020 at 10:02 AM.

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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleluia View Post
    EDIT: Oh, wait. Is Shiva Unreal gonna drop a mount/tokens for a mount?
    You are correct.
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