Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

[SigmaOZ]

@OP


I agree the titles must be kept the same and that people whom got them already shouldn't count in the ranking leaving the titles to other players.


Titles should be the same from the first ranking season, I want to be a "Saint of the Firmament" not a "Saint Ascendant", if they change the titles I won't feel any motivation to try to get them.

[Lecru]

I appreciate you all still posting and having a voice on this! Just wanted to show I was still around and paying attention to my post xD

[TW-Luna]

I tried to read the Japanese thread on this subject with the help of Google Translate, they seem to be a lot more split on their opinion over there vs here. Though it was heartening to see in the LIX Digest that they said:

However, we understand there may be varying opinions regarding the titles, so the titles may end up different from the one featured in the broadcast.

So we'll see, here's hoping that they don't do more than just add numerals to the titles to distinguish between seasons.

[WhyAmIHere]

Honestly i think they shouldn't have thought to change the titles at all in this way.

Keep the old system, earn points in the season and rank 1-100 and boom. Then if they wanted to add some new titles to the thing add a quest or something that is only available to people what've earned the saint/beata of the firmament titles, if even adding them at all is something SE is gung-ho on doing.

Wanting to, as the digest says, "...maintain the rareness of the first season’s title by making slight changes to indicate which season the titles were obtained, but they would be otherwise identical," is a poor reasoning considering only 1,100 people at best per world would have the titles... but there's nothing saying you couldn't have placed for more than just one job. I myself placed for both BTN and CRP, so that's at least one person I inadvertantly shafted from getting the title. Who's not to say other people weren't in similar situations?

PLEASE for the good of people who missed out, don't go through with this change.

[Gourdian]

Saw the digest, also coming on here to reiterate everyone else's points & hopefully keep this in the spotlight too.

I liked the rankings overall, largely because I got to have a friendly competition with someone else for 1st on my server who probably had similar resources (time, etc.) & who I know was doing it legitimately as they spent the last day crafting with me. I don't even care for titles, I've never used mine, I just liked the competition. But even as someone who feels this way, changing the titles would really kill a lot of people's buzz for something that takes an insane amount of time and dedication for 10 days straight.

If they're worried about slowing Firmament progress-- as others have said, while I obviously don't have the data, achievement hunters and levelers alone can probably still handle it. It's fine if the progress is slow. I'm actually currently still working on my 100 turn-ins long after Hyperion has finished ours, it'd be cool to contribute for longer. Other stuff: While I have no way to predict how phase 3 will turn out, I can see bots being a genuine issue. They'd need a ridiculous amount of mats fed into them, but that's obviously not a huge issue for bots, & I can see a program being able to handle it since it's a lot of just looking at 4 numbers & a proc and shuffling priorities. While they likely can't prevent it, as others have said, I hope it's possible in the future for them to retroactively ban and realign the ranks. I'm also really surprised they haven't said anything about changing the length of the competition. As much as I don't regret doing it, there's no denying that this was straight up unhealthy for a lot of people. I was lucky to work out a lower effort method that was intuitive to me early on, but people really did take a physical/mental/interpersonal toll doing this. People had ice packs on their hands and got genuinely sick after from the crash. Just a few being crazy enough to do it will push the others to do it at costs that probably aren't worth it for a video game.

I was kind of middling on this whole situation, as both outcomes had stuff I liked and didn't like, but it was actually reading an argument in favor of changing the titles that settled my mind. As much as I enjoy spontaneity & exclusivity in mmos, it's not worth it in this case, especially as the playing field is hardly level anyways. It was not possible to grab rank 1-2 on my server if someone had to work, or was physically unwell & couldn't sit in front of a pc working out the crafts for 10 days. & regardless of what I think anyways, it seems to be wildly unpopular in the first place for them to change their mind on this.

[Canadane]

I tried to read the Japanese thread on this subject with the help of Google Translate, they seem to be a lot more split on their opinion over there vs here. Though it was heartening to see in the LIX Digest that they said:

However, we understand there may be varying opinions regarding the titles, so the titles may end up different from the one featured in the broadcast.


So we'll see, here's hoping that they don't do more than just add numerals to the titles to distinguish between seasons.

Yeah he said that as soon as he saw the live comments in Japanese freaking out over their change of decision. It was a very on the spot remark to get people to settle down.
Sadly I don't believe he actually wants to change it since it's probably already in the pipeline for the change and changing that would be slightly unproductive of them.

I can only hope that he proves me wrong.

Also, changing the numerals in the titles are pretty much just as bad for any achievement hunter.
Because they will still need to grind that out.

[WhyAmIHere]

Yeah he said that as soon as he saw the live comments in Japanese freaking out over their change of decision. It was a very on the spot remark to get people to settle down.
Sadly I don't believe he actually wants to change it since it's probably already in the pipeline for the change and changing that would be slightly unproductive of them.

I can only hope that he proves me wrong.

Also, changing the numerals in the titles are pretty much just as bad for any achievement hunter.
Because they will still need to grind that out.

Remember Greed-Only loot rolls? How long that took to get reversed?
My hope is tepid at best based on history.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

Have they even clarified what's happening to the "phase 2" restoration achievements and when?

I've been trying to grind those out before 5.3 drops as I'm assuming they're going to get axed as soon as the third phase of the restoration starts.

I've assumed all the materials will be removed from Diadem with 5.31 the way all the nodes from phase 1 have been removed when phase 2 started (5.21), so if anyone wants to get all the achievements that give "The Nest's..." titles before 5.31 now's the time imo

For BTN + MIN it took a few weeks with 2-3h/day, for each crafter you can easily make 100 in less than a day if you don't care about max quality.

Worst case scenario everything (including achievements) gets removed, best case scenario everything stays (but grinding grade 3 mats in the middle of grade 2 mats sounds like a pain, especially on FSH), most likely scenario is that achievements stay but nodes disappear, so you have to pray that you can still find grade 2 mats on the marketboard if you're late with crafter achievements. Another possibility is that all previous mats become buyable with scrips, or that you can trade grade 3 mats for grade 2 mats.

This ofc is all speculation, and I'm mostly posting to keep the thread alive and visible until we get an official announcement regarding titles :v

[WhyAmIHere]

Unless what they do is in 6.0 go back and, if you missed out, you can contribute stuff and get a "lesser grade title in honor of your efforts," or something. Like right now there's all this race to get Beata/ Saint titles, but say come 6.0 and a new player joins and wants to help out. They can contribute X points and get, iuno, "Benefactor of the Firmament" or something like that.

[hqdm]

For BTN + MIN it took a few weeks with 2-3h/day

I resubbed to finish grinding my BTN/MIN recently. It's taken about 45 hours per, averaging just over 1.1k mats/hr, to get the green 50k titles.
I'm sure you could minmax a route to do ~20% better but I was pretty laid back about it.
(You'll also get the 1k beam achieve in the process if you proactively use the bars)
It feels rly out of touch compared to crafting, considering it only takes 4-5hrs to do 100 crafts; less, if you go for min qual.

I expect the botters will be more of a threat for DoL than DoH, because you can always solve a supply issue by throwing gil at it - simple pre-patch prep for any crafter aiming top 12. But I don't like the idea of timed leaderboards for what's otherwise a generally relaxing activity because it encourages these dumb death marches. Conversely, on my server, the crafting competition wasn't particularly fierce even amidst rumours of supposed botters and still quite competitive for a seasoned crafter, with several category only requiring ~200k to enter top 12.