I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[MelodyCrystel]

It's the tanks job to hold aggro, so they do the pulls. I act on that unwritten rule and, in my opinion, everyone who willingly likes to mess with that philosophy can die to the mobs they pulled.

[Eli85]

Following this logic, as a more experienced player, you can give advice or ask to do big pulls, instead of running ahead and forcing, making the game stressful. Do you feel the difference?

There are people on the other side of the monitor too. They may not know something or not be able to. But this is not a reason for pressure, it is a reason to start a dialogue.

If the tank is not showing basic competency, no, I'm not going to offer advice; I'm going to force the issue. Again, no one should be asking for, negioiating, or whatever else, basic competency. If a tank cannot demonstrate basic competency, they should do us all a favour and not queue.

[MistakeNot]

If the tank is not showing basic competency, no, I'm not going to offer advice; I'm going to force the issue. Again, no one should be asking for, negioiating, or whatever else, basic competency. If a tank cannot demonstrate basic competency, they should do us all a favour and not queue.

Doing big pulls is not showing basic competency. It is showing impatience.
Players who insist on big pulls should do the tanking themselves - that way they get to decide the size of pulls.

[Lily_Skye]

The meta, from what I gleaned in both conversations on this forum and elsewhere as well as some Youtube videos on the matter, seems to be about blowing through a dungeon as quickly as possible. That's not fun for me, especially when I'm tanking. I will do the biggest pulls I can manage, and I will pump out as much DPS as I can while maintaining aggro, but I likely will not just rush rush rush through a dungeon as quickly as I can.

Few days ago, while running a Level 80 roulette, I had a healer who kept running out ahead of me, the tank. They were drawing aggro from the mobs while I was trying to play catch-up, and I was damned tempted to let them die.

Please do not rush me. :'(

ewww a single pull tank

[Laesha]

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pull at your own pace, sugar. If you feel ambitious save the jerk pulling extra. If not, don't. If they kick you, you're going to be back in your dungeon again in seconds. I don't think most people will care. You'll be ok.

[xxvaynxx]

I didn't ignore your whole post as it just boils down to making a strawman argument, just like this one.

I think focusing on one mob in a pack is playing badly, but I disagree that pulling a single pack is playing badly.

Can keep calling it strawman if you want if it makes you feel better, because I know you don't have anything else worth to say, single pack tank ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Did HoN teach how to use that word btw? (Hint in case you didn't catch on like my previous post. Since you take every as if it was directed towards you....HoN is bad)
If you have nothing else to add, other than defending bad play. Stop talking.

And no, single pack tanking is playing badly.
Are you going to pull wall to wall in full raid gear or are you going to pull one at a time?

Playing badly? I don't think so either. Playing optimally? Probably not, no. A lot of people prefer optimal play, myself included. Pulling everything you can and AoEing them all down is no doubt the best way. When I'm not tanking (which is actually pretty rare nowadays) and I'm playing as a dps...small pulls like that annoy me, but I also accept that not everyone is able to or is willing to pull wall to wall for whatever reasons they have. As much as it may annoy me, sometimes that is simply how it's going to play out.

I have to disagree.
Its just not playing optimally , its just not playing well at all. Aka Playing badly.
Unless you're under geared, you shouldn't be pulling that small knowing full well you're not going to die and how powerful healers heals are.
As someone said few pages back, if you're tanking less than what a Melee DPS can, you shouldn't be tanking.
I'm not gonna convince you but nobody can convince me its not bad play.

I'll let small pulls pass IF
the healer is trash or the tank gear is bad and in some cases though more rare than the former, if the dps is terrible.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not gonna convince you but nobody can convince me its not bad play.

Well, at least we agree on something.

[RajNish]

communication is key

Indeed. Communication is key in both ways. If you want your tank to go faster, you can tell them about it. But to run forward and aggro everything, forcing the tank to run between the pulls ... This is a bad idea.

If the tank is not showing basic competency, no, I'm not going to offer advice; I'm going to force the issue. Again, no one should be asking for, negioiating, or whatever else, basic competency. If a tank cannot demonstrate basic competency, they should do us all a favour and not queue.

It's not about competency. I's about the comfort of the group. If you don't want to talk to people to ensure yours and their comfort and prefer stress, well, I'm sorry for you.

[Euphares]

Some of the responses in this thread make me glad I tank when I do roulette's...

Why not just do trusts or play with friends if you want to go slow?

When I unlock new dungeons I always do the first run in a trust for the very reason of soaking in the atmosphere/chilling.

[Townowi]

It's not that I don't feel comfortable with big pulls per se, just that, no matter how big of a pull the tank could actually handle, I still want the whole party to be within healing range of each other. I stopped counting the wipes that were due to tanks not waiting for the rest of the party to be within healing range before pulling... especially since you shouldn't assume people's loading screens to be as fast as yours. Sometimes going at a snail's pace really avoids wipes...