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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Im incredibly inclined to completely ignore any further points simply because Im personally tired of the "Well, they dont do it cause males so insecure about homosexuality." It's a tired, age old argument that uses tropes against male players to explain design differences. It is no different than dismissing female players as 'posers' - a generalization used to discredit a portion of the player base based on sex. This concept is bandied about like were still living like 30-40 years ago where its like "Dude, Bro, That guy is totally gay! He must be a -insert slur here-! Now lets go have tons of hotness with females cause were so manly".

    Hell that has becoming the running joke - the hyper masculine jock is actually secretly gay and ashamed of themselves.

    Most guys dont give an 'f' anymore. Some do, sure and that is unfortunate to say it lightly, but most dont. And if youve been around the internet enough (which I would guess is a yes), you shouldve quickly learned that when trashier people want to really get under your skin, the first thing theyll do is look for something that you take on a personal level and use it against you.
    If I could, I'd like to quote this in response from an article on Gamasutra which was quotes in our year 2011.

    Because there is a large presence of the heterosexual man’s identity in the development process and in gaming’s audience, the perceived “neutral” vision of game design takes on the influence of the socially appropriate interests specific to straight men. The lack of men’s sexualization is a product of the average straight guy’s impulse to avoid appearing or feeling gay. Men have a fig leaf of sorts when it comes to camera work and character design, while women get more attention and exposure. What sexual bits we do see are “safe” for heterosexual men to view without feeling like they’re watching something “gay,” such as muscular arms or exposed torsos. A common counter-argument concerns the issue of men’s impossible body image in games, which is definitely important, but mostly a different discussion to tackle. The aesthetic of muscles denote strength, agency, and power for the assumed male player to relate to, while emphasis on T&A when viewing women only serves as fan-service. Both rely on problematic ideals, but there is still a power relation present in theis representation that favors men.
    Bringing in personal experience as well, and I'm only in my 20s and perhaps being asian has a large part to do with it as well, the perception of how we see ourselves reflected in games can be one that exists on a subconscious plane. This entire idea is prevalent in some cultures and societies today. To say that this mode of thinking is outdated attempts to downplay the experience that people like me might have gone through despite ending up to believe against such oudated concepts. But to deny this belief doesn't exist or is not in the minds of "most" men is a bit folly to say it exists only 30-40 years ago. We are not all progressive people and or countries. I'd like to challenge the "most" men concept especially when it comes to marketing a game.

    What I will take umbrage with is people who are like "To many of these female bosses are too scantily clad" but turn around and be like "We need more guy candy". That nonsense bothers me to no end. You want guy candy then you need to be fine with the ladies too, and vice versa. It's either we give it to everyone and say a job well done, or we do it for no one.
    Since the beginning of this thread's page, people have taken serious offence to the shallow title as if it's an attack on women. It's a criticism to SE's design team.
    It's valid criticism. You can complain that the female bosses are too scantily clad when men are not given the same treatment. It's a fair view on SE's design, but then that will point back to the quote I put earlier. No one here is taking offence to primarily sexy female bosses. The offence is at the lack of the counterpart.
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    Last edited by VirusOnline; 07-30-2020 at 08:37 AM. Reason: can't english, halp