The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Male classical beauty hasn't changed much since ancient greece, no one can say that it's not clear what makes an attractive male, both body and face, look at classical greek statues, look at today's actors considered hot, Henry Cavill, Chris Evans, Ryan Gosling, etc.
it's a mix of lots of things. the clothes (or lack of) the face features, the pose we see, the facial expression, the body shape, all of that mixed is what a boss more or less sexualized. Look at Shiva, she has all of that, a sexy body, revealing clothes, beautiful face and expression, sexy pose. I haven't seen ANY male boss that has all of those things together.

Because what's considered sexy is different. There's a reason there's thousands of years worth of men being sexualized with displays of power- muscular, bare chested, defeating monsters or fighting armies. Power and success are generally a major part of being sexy as a male- if a man can show dominance in some way they'll look sexier than an identical twin that's failing. Men aren't sexualized by high heels and feminine faces.

SE has presented numerous males and females that are traditionally attractive- powerful, imposing, muscular men is actually kind of overdone, perhaps even tawdry at this point. In the snippets of boss dialogue and personality we get, that power is further reinforced. When you look at some of the most handsome men- Cavill, Hemsworth- perhaps at their best as superheroes with great power, Superman an emotionless greek god in appearance and power, Chris an emotionless norse god. Limited emotional range, physical fitness, power. Seriously I don't think Cavill's expression changed once from the beginning of BvS to the end of Justice League- as if they got an actual greek statue to play him. Which is another thing on attractive male emotional ranges- there's a reason handsome statues are usually neutral in emotion, or at most show the one acceptable emotion, rage.

It shouldn't be overly surprising they've made most men masculine and most women feminine in the game. Have they exaggerated it? Yes, there's no real woman who can manage the ice cold teasing seductiveness of Shiva, nobody as divine as Lakshmi- in part because they are legendary, godlike being meant to be divine exaggerations. Similarly, nobody's going to ever lift and squat like Titan, portray a vengeful god like Kefka or possess the cold, statuesque mechanical grace of Omega-M. Anime's already an exaggeration of features and eikons take that to an extreme. Overly feminine and overly masculine fanservice is almost the norm at this point.

Though, the game could use more Gaius giving the WoL a headpat.

[craybest]

Because what's considered sexy is different. There's a reason there's thousands of years worth of men being sexualized with displays of power- muscular, bare chested, defeating monsters or fighting armies. Power and success are generally a major part of being sexy as a male- if a man can show dominance in some way they'll look sexier than an identical twin that's failing. Men aren't sexualized by high heels and feminine faces.

SE has presented numerous males and females that are traditionally attractive- powerful, imposing, muscular men is actually kind of overdone, perhaps even tawdry at this point. In the snippets of boss dialogue and personality we get, that power is further reinforced. When you look at some of the most handsome men- Cavill, Hemsworth- perhaps at their best as superheroes with great power, Superman an emotionless greek god in appearance and power, Chris an emotionless norse god. Limited emotional range, physical fitness, power. Seriously I don't think Cavill's expression changed once from the beginning of BvS to the end of Justice League- as if they got an actual greek statue to play him. Which is another thing on attractive male emotional ranges- there's a reason handsome statues are usually neutral in emotion, or at most show the one acceptable emotion, rage.

It shouldn't be overly surprising they've made most men masculine and most women feminine in the game. Have they exaggerated it? Yes, there's no real woman who can manage the ice cold teasing seductiveness of Shiva, nobody as divine as Lakshmi- in part because they are legendary, godlike being meant to be divine exaggerations. Similarly, nobody's going to ever lift and squat like Titan, portray a vengeful god like Kefka or possess the cold, statuesque mechanical grace of Omega-M. Anime's already an exaggeration of features and eikons take that to an extreme. Overly feminine and overly masculine fanservice is almost the norm at this point.

Though, the game could use more Gaius giving the WoL a headpat.

It's more than just muscles and power. Like I mentioned it's also their faces for example. Stallone and Schwarzenegger had lots of muscles but they were never considered like the most handsome actors back then, like the ones I mentioned. Women werent drooling for them in general. It was mainly a power fantasy for males.
Gosling isn't a muscled hunk and still it's considered one of Hollywood's most handsome actors. The others I mentioned do have great bodies but also a very handsome face. Also a very down to earth attitude , it's a big part of why they're considered attractive too.
Here's a pic I found useful.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...y7tao1_500.jpg

[Eldevern]

Rather than muscular, they are "shaped", "balanced" and emmit some kind of classy vibe, they have charisma. The fact to have handsome face helps but some kind of peaceful self-confidence has a real impact.

Johnny Depp, Will Smith or Matt Bomer are good example about the fact that charisma is more important than to be "muscular". They are balanced but not athletic (especially at the start of their career).

[Zeonx]

Ok so we go back to having
-no way to trade 99 totems for the trial mounts, so pure rng to get it
-No ilv requirement on levelling dungeons enjoy the brayflox geared tank in Mt. Gulg, with having to wait 5 mins to kick if they or you don't leave.
-3x Eureka Pagos style due to not changing their direction from Anemos feedback
-no story modes for 8 man raids, all savage to know what happens
-loot in savage being 100% random with no token to buy if unlucky
-Sch having no energy drain, Ast being the lowest performing in hps and rDps while being the most busy of the 3 healers. Dun lollies remaining as they were in SB
-Remove some hairstyles and armor from the game(newest crafted gear was a community designed piece etc)

I could go on but the point is there, the community does give worthwhile ideas and the devs do take it into account and sometimes implements them, we just never know what gets passed on

Sometimes the devs view on things is the wrong view and having a community that is willing to point it out is healthy for the devs.

What I am reading is you want it easy, reason this game has gone down hill wont last in the long run not like FFXI, I am pretty sure the devs are already working on next game on ps5 to replace this also.
Since updates slowed drastically if I remember right SE can only go so far with data and people want more housing.

FFXI was a older game less data and stretched 5 expansions, this is a high end game better graphics longer to develop for and takes up a lot of data, the housing is only gonna lesson its life and well community wants that.
you might say no it won't happen FFXI still out yeah it is and well they re-hash enemies events its the sole reason I left.
it's already starting to happen here.
slower updates, same events sometimes if we are lucky we get 1 new one but not to say it won't be re-hashed after a while because well NPC will run out of space to sell the old gear and that's where the store comes in.
they even said they didn't have enough space for 2 other genders and struggle to give us inventory space.
lol
That's why I believe its better to leave it in developers hands, this way if they say we are going to scrap housing or they are going to change the game or give it a face lift or remove stuff to add stuff, they don't need community to be like that's not fair and guilt them into a corner preventing them to move forward.
I seen it few years back people attacking SE for marriage and even threatening to un sub and other things they got attacked for which is kinda messed up because most of those people weren't banned while some of the good people who do have good advice get chased off the forums or even perma banned and most of the good ones go start a reddit and have really good talks and don't have to worry about a community who get upset and attack with that report button every time their feelings get hurt over not accepting someone elses comments.

example would be my cousin someone didn't like what he said, they kept digging in his history and reporting everything he said up until he got 4 strikes.
nothing he could do SE wouldn't listen when he called out a GM asking why that is allowed but got no answer and repeal failed.
he was banned for 2013 comment in 2016 pretty sad if you ask me.

Another person accused him of making fun of handicap people but his picture was of normal youtubers like tron guy and another poster said something but he was accused of saying it top poster comment was pasted to cousin email and he was banned for another posters comment. its funny

so whoever the guy that dug through his stuff really set him up for a downfall but my cousin said no big deal but my honest opinion the community here will axe you if you get on their bad side.

Whats more funny my cousin knows the guy who kept reporting him and the guy ended up getting banned himself he followed my cousin around in every topic.
because of something he said to him and well of course he wanted revenge so made up stuff about him GM's listened but since the guy was a bad apple himself ended up getting himself banned in process cousin noticed him on reddit and told him what comes around goes around. true story.

SE should not allow people to comb over peoples chat history, due to the nature of cross world travel and if someone notices someone from forums who wants to get back they dig in history to get revenge honestly that's wrong on so many levels for bad party or something they said or even them getting reported on game and wanting to attack back this world is like this today.

[RyuSaarva]

Ok so we go back to having
-no way to trade 99 totems for the trial mounts, so pure rng to get it
-No ilv requirement on levelling dungeons enjoy the brayflox geared tank in Mt. Gulg, with having to wait 5 mins to kick if they or you don't leave.
-3x Eureka Pagos style due to not changing their direction from Anemos feedback
-no story modes for 8 man raids, all savage to know what happens
-loot in savage being 100% random with no token to buy if unlucky
-Sch having no energy drain, Ast being the lowest performing in hps and rDps while being the most busy of the 3 healers. Dun lollies remaining as they were in SB
-Remove some hairstyles and armor from the game(newest crafted gear was a community designed piece etc)

I could go on but the point is there, the community does give worthwhile ideas and the devs do take it into account and sometimes implements them, we just never know what gets passed on

Sometimes the devs view on things is the wrong view and having a community that is willing to point it out is healthy for the devs.

Actually I would prefer if there was no totems and mount droprates should never get nerfed and there was nothing wrong about pagos.

[Crushnight]

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Nothing what I said implied I wanted things easier, I just listed what ideas the devs have listened to, thus if want the devs to not listen to the community such ideas would never have come about.

99 totems gives an end goal to a lot of players rather than hoping rng blesses them, 99 runs feels a lot better than possibly needing 1000+ runs, the downside, longevity takes a hit.

There is no good defense to allow a tank that has lv32 gear in a lv79 dungeon, either forcing you to take a 30m penalty or 5 mins of waiting to vote kick + time to replace said tank and hoping new one is better geared.

Story modes raids are not aimed at me, I do savage, so if story was savage only it would not affect me, it would affect the much bigger portion of the community that does not do savage, and I doubt it will go down well just based on how coils were viewed back in the day.

Savage loot being 100% random was awful especially after they added nin and scouting gear, it also made Gordias savage was 100% gear gated, it was unfun for a lot of players.

Sch not having Energy Drain was an incredibly stupid decision, as simple as that, the devs did a stupid thing, they are human afterall, it can happen to the best of us, reversing it was for the best, that actively didn't make sch easier because it actually made sch harder

How does removing hairstyles/gear being indicative of me wanting things easier?

Yoshi P has stated to relook at HW for 6.0, which means expansion number 4 is happening so add 2 years to end of ShB so FFXIV from ARR-6.X is going to be 10+ years, that is phenomenal and a great achievement.

They have been delayed because of Convid, 2 months have been lost from development that they can never make back, flat out, the prolonged drought was unavoidable due to a worldwide pandemic. This is why we have had rerun on events, why things have slowed down, complaining about it is pointless, nothing is going to change except you being another person venting.

Guilt trip the devs XD the wedding wasn't guilt trip, the wedding was showing them it is not as big a deal as Yoshi P was making out to be, literally he was just concerned about PR that came with same gender EBs assuring that said fears were unnecessary, that ain't guilt trip. Don't think anyone has ever been successful in guilt tripping the devs.

Story sounds commonplace to be true regardless, I've had a suspension due to someone being openly homophobic and I swore at them over it, and I do agree things from 2+ years ago should not have weight but it is SE's system take it up with them, not in a random thread about asking for more eye candy on the male form.

Man this tangent was long so I'll close with let's just keep asking to include more Innocence type bosses where appropriate, and hope they listen.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

The last boss of Anamnesis Anyder was a monstrous female. In fact, when that boss was released, I didn't see anyone on this forum give an commendations for that. But since this upcoming boss can be considered "attractive," there's an outcry? btw In fact, Garuda is VERY monstrous, compared to Shiva and Lakshmi. People only focus on her breasts, but her feathery form, arms, and legs is NOT attractive. I'm not even sure why this is a debate. There were more than enough "manly" boss encounters in this game; Byakko, Seiryu, and Sephirot to name a few. Even Titan and Ifrit were re-imagined to be that way. Some people just cannot be happy, even if SE gives them what they asked for, and will resort to outrage by default

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Rather than muscular, they are "shaped", "balanced" and emmit some kind of classy vibe, they have charisma. The fact to have handsome face helps but some kind of peaceful self-confidence has a real impact.

Johnny Depp, Will Smith or Matt Bomer are good example about the fact that charisma is more important than to be "muscular". They are balanced but not athletic (especially at the start of their career).

Charisma's a hard thing to develop in seconds though, especially since eikons are manifestations of a cause or emotion (OG Titan's multiple personalities comes to mind).

I also think trends in 'hot men' show that personality isn't necessary. As was brought up, Cavill is considered one of the hottest men of this era but his main role, Superman, has him show less expression than a cardboard box splashed with hot sauce. There are men with charisma that are also considered attractive- but there's a great deal of men who either have neutral personalities or even rather repulsive ones that are considered extremely attractive (the most clear example I can think of is the latest Joker- despite his no confidence stutter, anorexic body, generally slimy appearance, living with his mother, irrational mind, abusive anger and being a violent stalker- all things that are almost checklist criteria for things people don't find attractive in men, one of the big conversations after the movie came out was people saying how hot they found him).

We can go over what makes men attractive- and find that in several of the characters in FFXIV- so at this point the thread seems less about SE providing not enough attractive or half naked men- and more about SE providing not enough 'men that I personally find sexy'. SE providing mostly naked and attractive men, at least by conventional standards, is something they can do and are doing. Meeting everyone's specific fantasy males though- a bit harder especially since people are kinda judgmental about it (and I thought it was rough trying to reach society's feminine beauty standards- men seem to have it rougher than I thought, sheesh).

[Melichoir]

Rather than muscular, they are "shaped", "balanced" and emmit some kind of classy vibe, they have charisma. The fact to have handsome face helps but some kind of peaceful self-confidence has a real impact.

Johnny Depp, Will Smith or Matt Bomer are good example about the fact that charisma is more important than to be "muscular". They are balanced but not athletic (especially at the start of their career).

Charisma is a good selling point on a man, but it's not really relevant to the argument being made. Pretty much what people are asking for is this:

Put more 'sexy' male bosses in the game that are very sparingly clothed and arent bulky roided messes.

They want more sexy appeal eye candy. Stuff that turns heads and turns up the 'heat'.

Which then just means about what people generally find physically attractive - which is pretty common to be frank. As a point, there is a commonality between the 3 examples you gave: Theyre all fit. Skinny fit, but still relatively fit. Theyre not Jonah Hill (old squishy hill). In fact when talking about the most handsome and sexiest men in hollywood at their height, they all have physical fitness as a pretty big aspect of it. Sam Jackson, Will Smith, Hugh Jackman , Christian Bale (Batman version), George Clooney, Tom Cruise, Orlando Bloom, etc etc were all relatively fit. Varying Degrees of it, of course, but in the end they all were fit.

So pretty much what is being asked for is more male eye candy of that calibur. Frankly, I've no qualms with this. Make every single male boss some kind of male super model in tight form fitting fantasy armor for the rest of the xpac. Should resolve any further complaints.

[Theodric]

It's perfectly possible for a male character to be both charismatic and athletic/muscular. It helps that it brings about the best of both worlds in such a scenario.

A good example of what I mean is Shigure Rangetsu from Tales of Berseria:



He's an antagonist but a very charismatic/friendly one. He's also walking shirtless scene with low cut trousers and he's attractive in a classically handsome/conventional manner.

It'd be pretty easy to create a character in FFXIV along similar lines. There's already plenty of armour along those lines available to players - we just don't typically see it used by male lore characters.

Which is odd, given the amount of male character related fan service in many other JRPG's and even other Final Fantasy games.