It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Joven]

My doctor says that too much salt is bad for my blood pressure.



Oh wait, I was so focused on making a joke I didn't even read all of it. So your problem is about men wearing "women's" clothing. And so the truth comes out. Lol. Stop being so triggered by people who are different from you.

What "truth" do you think you've discovered? I was refering to the constant push and outrage by a very vocal minority about making certain gear wearable by males. If the devs can take their time for something that innocuous then how is this any different?

[Awha]

As someone that wears the bunny outfit, a pink frog suit, uses the bunny costume and pretends to be male vería, and also wears the weeding dress.

I am okay with giving players more options that allow them to control their own experience. I have been asked if it would be possible to change my glam for a cutscene I said no. Though if this was an option one would not hsve to ask snd one would not hsve to risk being mocked for asking in the first place. Yeah our group roasted them for asking.

People have different tastes, and that is understandable let people see what they want within tje game. It does not impact anyone in the slightlest.

[Krotoan]

Thankfully, the tech they are using for Glams means this option will never happen,

... Why do you think this? The tech they use for glams means this is a VERY real option and possible with current in game specs.

[Alacran]

I have changed my mind about this.

If this comes to pass, i want to exclude Hrothgar and Lalfell from my play experience. Replace the character models with with glamour of Grand Company Squadron members or selected Trust NPC's.

[Ibkee]

Personally I think it's a great idea, it gives those who want a more immersive experience another option and those who don't can feel free to ignore it. I really don't see how anyone can object to that?

[AnotherPerson]

Personally I think it's a great idea, it gives those who want a more immersive experience another option and those who don't can feel free to ignore it. I really don't see how anyone can object to that?

Because it invalidates choice of character cutomization, which causes potential of issues to crop up elsewhere. Glamour is just an extension for customizing their character's looks. The reason why people use it can be summed up to:
1. For themselves to see.
2. For others to see.

Giving an option to turn that off simply means character customization doesn't actually work for point 2, which makes the intended effect of glamour pointless. Even if not a lot of people use the feature, it's because the feature exists that this would be an issue for character customization. It's the equivalent to saying you can design your Viera to have a certain hair color, certain eye color, certain height, body features, etc. for a long time when creating your character, but people can also turn that off so there's no point in seeing your effort put there. They might as well not bother customizing in the first place. As an MMO - character customization and fashion go hand-in-hand for the social aspect of the game, and having a function to turn off a part of their customization can make players feel as if one of their customization choices were actually taken away from them because there's no guarantee what they do will actually reflect what others will see - which is a huge nono if devs want to keep the success of an MMO's social aspect running smoothly. As a dev and as a player, you would want more choices to be available to you, not have that feeling taken away and replaced for something else that compromises the old one. There is a reason why this game is so popular and why FFXIV has many people asking for races/outfits - character customization plays a huge part in this. There are a bunch of threads with showing off a character's glamour in the first place - and those threads are not small at all.

For those who don't see the problem yet, then think of why fantasia and glamour in mog station exist. Both are related to avatar character customization.

Entertain the thought: Now I know most people wouldn't actually use this feature, but because the choice exists it creates the possibility that one day the new norm is to have people will turn off all glamour for whatever absurd reason. Now I'm not that sensitive to glamour, but if there are people don't like glamour and wants it to be turned off, then there will always be those on the opposite spectrum who are. Perhaps people suddenly feel as if glamour can't work because people turned it off, causing a slow and natural shift in the mindset that glamour doesn't work, or causes more people who use glamour to turn it off. Perhaps people will suddenly stop investing in glamour altogether. Newer players who join learn of that fact too. There are also people who play this game solely for the social aspect and just hang around in their FC or Limsa all day with others RPing, showing their outfits to each other, etc. Now that the shift in mindset happened, players may no longer do that anymore and just stop hanging out in the game entirely, causing them to quit or play other games. Can you completely guarantee there will be no drop in sales for both glamour and for fantasias because people simply do not believe it works? From a business aspect to social aspect and even player population count, this is very bad idea because it leaves everything up to the possibility of players - and I can assure you a good game designer avoid potential backlashes by preventing the possibility from happening in the first place.

[Theodric]

It's already possible to hide other players if there's too many of them on a screen. It's also possible to turn off spell effects and block another player for any reason to prevent them from communicating with you. If this proposed feature were to be implemented, it would simply be another tool in the form of player choice to tweak the game to their liking.

It's all well and good talking about 'choice', but I can't help but note that many players only want 'choice' when it involves an option that they want and it allows for them to be front and centre.

It's a feature that not everybody is going to like, yet that can easily be said of...every single element added to the game in general. It's about compromising and understanding that different groups of players value different things.

A lot of us don't care about the glamour used by others. We don't necessarily want to see it and if the option to disable it were added, we'd embrace it. Others care deeply about glamour and like seeing the outfits that other players piece together.

Both 'sides' can easily co-exist. The people who want to show off and look at the glamour used by other players can simply not make use of the toggle and continue to do what they usually do. Meanwhile, if added, those who want to make use of the toggle can do so and...there would likely be very little fanfare involved.

[Joven]

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Your argument is entirely hyperbolic. If this were a new MMO then maybe, just maybe you'd have a point, but this game has been around for almost a decade now. Introducing a feature like this now wouldn't stop the masses of RPers and glamour hounds from enjoying it because their communities are already well established. On top of that you assume that everyone who buys and uses glamours only do so to show it off to others and not simply because they like it. I couldn't care less if someone else liked my outfit or not, I do it solely for me. New players would only need to use the forums or Reddit or even just ask people in game for others of like mind if they're that concerned about their glamours.

[Driavna]

It's already possible to hide other players if there's too many of them on a screen. It's also possible to turn off spell effects and block another player for any reason to prevent them from communicating with you. If this proposed feature were to be implemented, it would simply be another tool in the form of player choice to tweak the game to their liking.

It's all well and good talking about 'choice', but I can't help but note that many players only want 'choice' when it involves an option that they want and it allows for them to be front and centre.

It's a feature that not everybody is going to like, yet that can easily be said of...every single element added to the game in general. It's about compromising and understanding that different groups of players value different things.

A lot of us don't care about the glamour used by others. We don't necessarily want to see it and if the option to disable it were added, we'd embrace it. Others care deeply about glamour and like seeing the outfits that other players piece together.

Both 'sides' can easily co-exist. The people who want to show off and look at the glamour used by other players can simply not make use of the toggle and continue to do what they usually do. Meanwhile, if added, those who want to make use of the toggle can do so and...there would likely be very little fanfare involved.

Certain content like Eureka or Hunts will benefit from having said option. It's not uncommon that some players with a modest system have problems with loading times or FPS, having both options (using generic character model and/or hide others) will help.

I played others F2P MMO's that heavily lean towards selling cosmetics and at least have one of those options. No problems there at all.

[Ibkee]

That's an awful lot of assumptions there.

Giving an option to turn that off simply means character customization doesn't actually work for point 2, which makes the intended effect of glamour pointless.

How many players consider glamour to be most important for showing others, rather than simply to make their characters look good to themselves?
Why is house glamour so lucrative if what's important is what other players see?

From a business aspect to social aspect and even player population count, this is very bad idea because it leaves everything up to the possibility of players - and I can assure you a good game designer avoid potential backlashes by preventing the possibility from happening in the first place.

Plenty of MMOs have this feature or similar, it's not bad game design to give players more options.

Your whole argument is that players are vain morons who have no interest in the game outside dangling their pixels in the faces of others for some kind of bizarre high. Jobs, crafting/gathering, gold saucer, end game, hunts, all of that is so unimportant that such players would up sticks at the thought that as many as 10% of the playerbase can't see what they wear around Limsa.

This just in: Nobody gives two shits what GenericFemMiqote117 is wearing around town. If you're one of the people who would use this feature, chances are you are normally avoiding them. The people who hang around and boredom-spam Holy etc obviously won't use it.

Perhaps you want the option to have your character in other zones be removed too? Everyone in Limsa by the MB, then you can all see my Hrothgar's open shirt and medallion, yeah?