Leaving duty debuff issue

[HeulGDarian]

If you have the crown on, even in just a trials roulette, the assumption is mentorship, though. Take the crown off if you don't want this hypothetical mentor penalty. You're only required to wear it for mentor roulette.

mentor rlt gives the mentor a different crown symbol than the normal one , its the one with the little sword you need to look for during content , they are the active mentors.
I should furthermore say that expecting from someone who isn't paid to be 24/7 it support is a bit unreasonable .they shouldn't get absolved from punishment cause of all the avoiding a lot of them are doing but they shouldn't get further punishment either.



Also could we pls not go from one extreme to the other extreme, least we forget mentors also have to deal with bullshit such as people berating them just cause they died in content or for asking how they died.







To also touch a bit on what the OP experienced , i assume that its known to everyone that we can get extreme trials up to level 70 currently , an extreme trials window is 60 mins usually obviously as mentors we try to explain how the fights work, we dont know all the fights but we still try our best, well.. most of us, it actually gets easier the more mentor rlts we run. hmmm i should propably change it to first person. it actually got much easier the more mentor rlts i run thankfully i also had already done all the arr and hw ex trials which helped , i d forget most of the stuff but muscle memory kicks in and can explain important stuff, there are 3 problems 2 that i keep running into and 1 that ive seen maybe once . One is language hurdle straight up guy speaks only french and i dont well fuck in that case pray that you have another french that knows good english cause the auto translate system cant even explain how to do guildhests , there is also the problem that things that sound cohesive to me might not sound as cohesive to others in which case the argument of trying to explain ends up with Heul here take the plus marker i follow ,works most of the time so i cant really complain but it feelsbadman. Second one is straight up people who rushed or bought story skip or straight up ignore you and do their shenanigans instead of adhering to your advice =.=" , I had a dreadfull alphascape 2.0 run , so i go ahead and explain how it works and what its job has to do but people run away from akh morn , people still dont see the 2 shape combination attacks , tank still just tilts the boss making his cardinal attack hit the corners and all around even with a marker on me people just dont talk or follow me and in the end we somehow make it with a combination of me and being a smn who constantly ressed healers and dps , it was absolute blue balls which i wish i could have left but didnt , and then got double blue balls cause the ggs went to the healers with the perma deaths door debuff >_>. Third and this is the one ive only seen once and is what OP experienced is that you donate your time to whatever party mentor rlt gives you yes but they can keep wiping on the same mechanic for 30 mins and they still wont abandon, The one time ive seen that it was me and 2 other mentors on zurvan ex , now i had never done soar but after wiping something like 20 times in a row on it made me not want to see it again -.- , i kept my mouth shut ,acting normaly while feeling dead inside but every time the abandon vote appeared i was clicking yes, well after we reached 30 something mins and people still werent abandoning well one of the other mentors started asking to leave and to pls kick him , obviously the new players didnt take it kindly but cant really blame the guy , i have learned to not expect my patience from others and even 30 mins was too much , in the end after a bit of shots fired at each other they voted abandoned. That last one is propably what the OP went through its something i honestly cant blame the guy , if only the mentors could be trusted with such "power" could be like something once for every 10 extreme clears but unfortunately they cant and nothing is more obnoxious than seeing a familiar name that you know means were playing 7/8 cause he didnt even have the courtesy to leave and take the penalty and instead opted to dc scamming.

[iilan]

mentor rlt gives the mentor a different crown symbol than the normal one , its the one with the little sword you need to look for during content , they are the active mentors.
I should furthermore say that expecting from someone who isn't paid to be 24/7 it support is a bit unreasonable .they shouldn't get absolved from punishment cause of all the avoiding a lot of them are doing but they shouldn't get further punishment either.

I honestly didn't know that the crown changed for folks not in their mentor roulette. Thanks for teaching me =D That said, though, I'm sure most folks don't know that either. If I see a non-trade mentor crown in a zone I'm not familiar with, I'm going to expect them to be able to help. If they don't feel comfortable with that or aren't in the right mood, they can always turn their crown off and just run badgeless. Sprouts can do the same thing. There's no harm in saying "I don't want to help remember strats right now" and turning off your crown. It doesn't go away (I never wear my trade mentor one because i feel like i earned it on a fluke and am not a good mentor for that reason).

It blows when the mentor roulette screws you. I'm not necessarily advocating for the harsher penalty for that reason (if anyone asked me to do Sephirot EX unsynced, I'd abandon). But if you're outside the mentor roulette and get an Eden raid and your crown is on, the other members likely expect your help, especially if it is their first times. If you don't want that responsibility, switch your status to Online, not PVE Mentor.

[Baxcel]

Those "special rewards" are a mount that will take you 5 years to obtain, if you only do Mentor roulette once a day. It's one of the worser grinds this game has to offer, and you still want to make things harder...

Edit: Also, leaving sooner means no daily rewards and not getting any closer to the mount, so I don't get this whole hateboner on forcing mentors to spend 90 minutes on an unwinnable duty.

You keep calling these "unwinnable" but they literally aint.. im a Crafting mentor.. i also MT for my FC an do calls.. one of my new members wants to do old EXs synced to experience them..

Of the three we've already done.. Titan Ifrit an Throdan all had mentors who refused to help.

Titan the co-tank mentor bailed around 30min.. we cleared the pull he left with a replacement joining after the heart already broke.

Ifrit the DPS mentor called all the healers an DPS brain dead idiots, demanded to be kicked and when we didn't afked.. we cleared the fight after another 4 pulls.

Thordan another dps mentor demanded to be kicked as soon as it started.. we refused and he helped for a few pulls and then afked saying it was impossible... we cleared with 15min or so remaining..

The new players look to us for help.. the Smith tells them about our job.. if your wondering why we get it a bad rep its due to mentors like you and the ones I mentioned above.

TLDR.. If your not going to commit to the trails and actually teach.. turn in your crown an never click that mentor roulette again!

[Parn]

Mentors should have 60 min penalty if they abandon first. If it was up to me there would also be a 1000000 gil penalty fee.

[Iscah]

mentor rlt gives the mentor a different crown symbol than the normal one , its the one with the little sword you need to look for during content , they are the active mentors.

The sword icon simply means you're a battle mentor but not a crafting mentor.

Maybe it changes if you normally have the full crown and are currently participating in a mentor roulette, but it's certainly not an indication that the person must have queued as a mentor. I have that icon and I can't even access the roulette.

[Stepjam]

I still agree with the idea that the mentor crown should be a watering can. Gets the idea across of what mentor is but doesn't have the "prestige" look to it that attracts all the people who shouldn't be mentors.

[AngelCheese77]

I was in a duty for over 15 minutes and left because the raid group didn't get the mechanics of 1 of the edenverse fights...the 3rd 1(iconoclasm?). I'm a pve mentor and have done the fights multiple times and never "lost" one i joined. Today was different.

I explained the mechanics to the 20 people(i'm exaggerating) that seemed new. We died about 4 or 5 times in the fight so even after I explained the mechanics I decided to leave, mind you it's after the 15 minute mark of the raid group.

To my shock, i got slapped with a 30 minute debuff. I left a very crappy party that couldn't make it passed the dps check because the dps kept dying from the umbra/umbral light switching. Remember, I explained how to do it and they were still dying. This wasn't the savage version either.

I think us PvE mentors shouldn't be subject to this punishment when leaving a group. There was no way we were gonna do it so i left. We get punished in the raid group because we get frustrated and then get even more frustrated when we get slapped with this 30 min debuff after we leave. Mentors should be immune to these penalties period.

Totally disagree.

Heck, I was in a roulette. We all appeared, and the mentor left. Not DC'd but left. You think THEY should get a less timer because they didn't like the roulette they got into? F no. You bail out, you get the penalty like anyone else.

BTW, I have been I a lot of groups that when stuff was explained they never did the mechanics. At least you were given a choice and not forced to stay. 30 minutes is nothing. Go fish or watch some tv.

[KageTokage]

I honestly think they should just remove the extreme trials from mentor roulette; moreso now that they're planning to give them a fresh coat of paint with the unreal difficulty releasing in 5.3.

I've had several run-ins with people who queue for them as soon as they become available and are simply not ready for it on an execution level. I'm talking stuff like healers who can't avoid falling off at Leviathan/Titan EX or tanks who don't know how to swap or handle adds properly no matter how many times it's explained to them or how much hand-holding others try to do for them by putting down waymarks and such.

Generally, if I do manage to clear it's because it's an early extreme that's horribly outgeared like Ultima Weapon/Ravana EX or the group is mostly other mentors who actually know what they're doing.

[TyrTry]

I honestly think they should just remove the extreme trials from mentor roulette; moreso now that they're planning to give them a fresh coat of paint with the unreal difficulty releasing in 5.3.

I've had several run-ins with people who queue for them as soon as they become available and are simply not ready for it on an execution level. I'm talking stuff like healers who can't avoid falling off at Leviathan/Titan EX or tanks who don't know how to swap or handle adds properly no matter how many times it's explained to them or how much hand-holding others try to do for them by putting down waymarks and such.

Generally, if I do manage to clear it's because it's an early extreme that's horribly outgeared like Ultima Weapon/Ravana EX or the group is mostly other mentors who actually know what they're doing.

Then what's the point of being a mentor if you aren't willing to MENTOR new players?

Of course they're not going to know. Kind of the point of being there as the mentor.

No. Extremes need to stay.

[HeulGDarian]

The sword icon simply means you're a battle mentor but not a crafting mentor.

Maybe it changes if you normally have the full crown and are currently participating in a mentor roulette, but it's certainly not an indication that the person must have queued as a mentor. I have that icon and I can't even access the roulette.

It changes from normal crown into pve mentor crown , yes you can have it pre equipped which at that case doesnt really help but 9 times out of 10 its a guy from mentor rlt,