Leaving duty debuff issue

[HeulGDarian]

Remove the mount given that's what many are doing it for and could care less about mentoring.

You leave a duty you get a time out. That's normal and the OP isn't some special snowflake that gets a free pass to leave. There is always the option to ask for an abandon and that's up to group to grant that or not.

Yes ofc , lets give the middle finger to every mentor who is actively trying to get it.

[Tsaranoga]

Yes ofc , lets give the middle finger to every mentor who is actively trying to get it.

Considering that the rewards are once again the only motivation for most people, yes, they should be given the finger. Mentor should mentor but that isn't rewarding, to most people. Someone might actually enjoy helping people, the people the mentor system should've been made for. Don't worry, not like SE is going to do anything about it, you'll get your precious mount eventually.

[HeulGDarian]

Considering that the rewards are once again the only motivation for most people, yes, they should be given the finger. Mentor should mentor but that isn't rewarding, to most people. Someone might actually enjoy helping people, the people the mentor system should've been made for. Don't worry, not like SE is going to do anything about it, you'll get your precious mount eventually.

So even though i try my hardest to help during mentor rlt , the fact that i want the mount means i should get the middle finger. ok

[Vidu]

Considering that the rewards are once again the only motivation for most people, yes, they should be given the finger. Mentor should mentor but that isn't rewarding, to most people. Someone might actually enjoy helping people, the people the mentor system should've been made for. Don't worry, not like SE is going to do anything about it, you'll get your precious mount eventually.

I enjoy helping and teaching people and everytime I queue up for the mentor roulette I only do so when I'm feeling up to an hour of wiping to any given EX-primal or spending an hour in MSQ-cutscenes. However, having the mount as a carrot is a nice addition to that - whenever I feel bored and in the right mood (aka: patient and helpful), I'll queue up for mentor roulette, thinking "Well, lets see what I get and if I can make some progress on those achievements". Wanting to be helpful and wanting the mount dont exclude each other - personally I'd say my motivation is split 70/30, with the mount being more of an after thought.
I'm studying to become a teacher, because, as I said, I like teaching people - thats my main motivation here, as it should be. But you know, getting a decent salary at the end doesnt hurt either - should I drop my career-choice, because I'm not only motivated to teach kids but also because I'm getting a decent pay for it?

[LaylaTsarra]

Yes ofc , lets give the middle finger to every mentor who is actively trying to get it.

There doesn't need to be a reward to be a mentor. The mentoring should be the reward. You know fully well what the reality is relative to why many do it and it's NOT MENTORING! I run tons of duties on my main and on many different alts and I can't say I've ever seen a mentor actually try and mentor.

[Sove92]

The 15 minute minimum duty time only applies to premade parties when using duty roulette, it's to stop premades from fishing for a more preferable duty (if it's not a roulette, there is no penalty at all). If you are in a matched group, the first person to leave will always get a penalty.

Mentors should be immune to these penalties period.

Most mentors are already not worthy of the title (burger kings) and would just abuse this privilege.

[Avatre]

I'll take "Worst Change to Mentor Status" for 5,000,000,000 please.

Mentors should NOT be immune. If anything, the penalty should be worse for them(and yes, I am one). "Mentors" already abandon anything and everything if they do not like it. Hell, 99% of the stuff can be done synced down through the mentor roulette if people are actually listening and paying attention when stuff is explained, but unfortunately a lot of people don't listen/care.

[Violet_Galaxy]

I was in a duty for over 15 minutes and left because the raid group didn't get the mechanics of 1 of the edenverse fights...the 3rd 1(iconoclasm?). I'm a pve mentor and have done the fights multiple times and never "lost" one i joined. Today was different.

I explained the mechanics to the 20 people(i'm exaggerating) that seemed new. We died about 4 or 5 times in the fight so even after I explained the mechanics I decided to leave, mind you it's after the 15 minute mark of the raid group.

To my shock, i got slapped with a 30 minute debuff. I left a very crappy party that couldn't make it passed the dps check because the dps kept dying from the umbra/umbral light switching. Remember, I explained how to do it and they were still dying. This wasn't the savage version either.

I think us PvE mentors shouldn't be subject to this punishment when leaving a group. There was no way we were gonna do it so i left. We get punished in the raid group because we get frustrated and then get even more frustrated when we get slapped with this 30 min debuff after we leave. Mentors should be immune to these penalties period.

Your biggest problem is thinking you're special because you have a crown next to your name.

[Morningstar1337]

I feel like the point of mentorship, one that flies over the heads of too many is that they are supposed to help spouts learn content, not necessarily clear it and that the use of carrots like the mounts from mentor roulette are antitheical to that goal and I would go as far as yto say that it failed because of said incentives. As such I think that adding more preferential treatment would do more harm than good.

[Goji1639]

Giving mentors free reign to bail on their party REALLY defeats the purpose. That's basically encouraging all the most impatient people in the game to become mentors.

If anything a mentor who bails on his group should get a longer debuff; because he's already getting special rewards on the assumption that he's sticking around to help. Being a mentor is agreeing to teach new players; even the bad ones.