Leaving duty debuff issue

[Baxcel]

Those "special rewards" are a mount that will take you 5 years to obtain, if you only do Mentor roulette once a day. It's one of the worser grinds this game has to offer, and you still want to make things harder...

Edit: Also, leaving sooner means no daily rewards and not getting any closer to the mount, so I don't get this whole hateboner on forcing mentors to spend 90 minutes on an unwinnable duty.

You keep calling these "unwinnable" but they literally aint.. im a Crafting mentor.. i also MT for my FC an do calls.. one of my new members wants to do old EXs synced to experience them..

Of the three we've already done.. Titan Ifrit an Throdan all had mentors who refused to help.

Titan the co-tank mentor bailed around 30min.. we cleared the pull he left with a replacement joining after the heart already broke.

Ifrit the DPS mentor called all the healers an DPS brain dead idiots, demanded to be kicked and when we didn't afked.. we cleared the fight after another 4 pulls.

Thordan another dps mentor demanded to be kicked as soon as it started.. we refused and he helped for a few pulls and then afked saying it was impossible... we cleared with 15min or so remaining..

The new players look to us for help.. the Smith tells them about our job.. if your wondering why we get it a bad rep its due to mentors like you and the ones I mentioned above.

TLDR.. If your not going to commit to the trails and actually teach.. turn in your crown an never click that mentor roulette again!

[Parn]

Mentors should have 60 min penalty if they abandon first. If it was up to me there would also be a 1000000 gil penalty fee.

[Stepjam]

I still agree with the idea that the mentor crown should be a watering can. Gets the idea across of what mentor is but doesn't have the "prestige" look to it that attracts all the people who shouldn't be mentors.

[AngelCheese77]

I was in a duty for over 15 minutes and left because the raid group didn't get the mechanics of 1 of the edenverse fights...the 3rd 1(iconoclasm?). I'm a pve mentor and have done the fights multiple times and never "lost" one i joined. Today was different.

I explained the mechanics to the 20 people(i'm exaggerating) that seemed new. We died about 4 or 5 times in the fight so even after I explained the mechanics I decided to leave, mind you it's after the 15 minute mark of the raid group.

To my shock, i got slapped with a 30 minute debuff. I left a very crappy party that couldn't make it passed the dps check because the dps kept dying from the umbra/umbral light switching. Remember, I explained how to do it and they were still dying. This wasn't the savage version either.

I think us PvE mentors shouldn't be subject to this punishment when leaving a group. There was no way we were gonna do it so i left. We get punished in the raid group because we get frustrated and then get even more frustrated when we get slapped with this 30 min debuff after we leave. Mentors should be immune to these penalties period.

Totally disagree.

Heck, I was in a roulette. We all appeared, and the mentor left. Not DC'd but left. You think THEY should get a less timer because they didn't like the roulette they got into? F no. You bail out, you get the penalty like anyone else.

BTW, I have been I a lot of groups that when stuff was explained they never did the mechanics. At least you were given a choice and not forced to stay. 30 minutes is nothing. Go fish or watch some tv.

[KageTokage]

I honestly think they should just remove the extreme trials from mentor roulette; moreso now that they're planning to give them a fresh coat of paint with the unreal difficulty releasing in 5.3.

I've had several run-ins with people who queue for them as soon as they become available and are simply not ready for it on an execution level. I'm talking stuff like healers who can't avoid falling off at Leviathan/Titan EX or tanks who don't know how to swap or handle adds properly no matter how many times it's explained to them or how much hand-holding others try to do for them by putting down waymarks and such.

Generally, if I do manage to clear it's because it's an early extreme that's horribly outgeared like Ultima Weapon/Ravana EX or the group is mostly other mentors who actually know what they're doing.

[TyrTry]

I honestly think they should just remove the extreme trials from mentor roulette; moreso now that they're planning to give them a fresh coat of paint with the unreal difficulty releasing in 5.3.

I've had several run-ins with people who queue for them as soon as they become available and are simply not ready for it on an execution level. I'm talking stuff like healers who can't avoid falling off at Leviathan/Titan EX or tanks who don't know how to swap or handle adds properly no matter how many times it's explained to them or how much hand-holding others try to do for them by putting down waymarks and such.

Generally, if I do manage to clear it's because it's an early extreme that's horribly outgeared like Ultima Weapon/Ravana EX or the group is mostly other mentors who actually know what they're doing.

Then what's the point of being a mentor if you aren't willing to MENTOR new players?

Of course they're not going to know. Kind of the point of being there as the mentor.

No. Extremes need to stay.

[Iscah]

I've had several run-ins with people who queue for them as soon as they become available and are simply not ready for it on an execution level.

I feel like that part is the game's fault - it does nothing to warn you that the EX duties are designed with a different level of coordination in mind. The characters warn you that it's going to be harder than before, but you get so much of that from the story that it's meaningless.

Then what's the point of being a mentor if you aren't willing to MENTOR new players?

Of course they're not going to know. Kind of the point of being there as the mentor.

No. Extremes need to stay.

The problem with keeping extreme trials in the standard mentor roulette is that it's an entirely different level of mentoring to helping newbies in a dungeon or giving general game help. I can do those things but I can't do EX trials, so the game won't let me help with any of it.

[TyrTry]

I feel like that part is the game's fault - it does nothing to warn you that the EX duties are designed with a different level of coordination in mind. The characters warn you that it's going to be harder than before, but you get so much of that from the story that it's meaningless.




The problem with keeping extreme trials in the standard mentor roulette is that it's an entirely different level of mentoring to helping newbies in a dungeon or giving general game help. I can do those things but I can't do EX trials, so the game won't let me help with any of it.

Just do the best you can.

If mentors aren't willing to commit to an EX trial when they get it in a mentor roulette, then they don't need to be queuing for it. Simple as that. The mentor roulette is not for them. I know it's hard to believe, but its their to mentor newer players in content.

I think the problem is the mindset that the mentor roulette is just another daily to get out of the way and maybe get a neat mount out of it; newbies be damned.

[Iscah]

Just do the best you can.

If mentors aren't willing to commit to an EX trial when they get it in a mentor roulette, then they don't need to be queuing for it. Simple as that. The mentor roulette is not for them. I know it's hard to believe, but its their to mentor newer players in content.

But that's the thing. At the current point in time I am entirely confident with providing dungeon-skill-level mentoring. Battle basics, how to handle boss gimmicks, whatever. I'd be happy to step into a mentor role at this level BUT I cannot at this point do EX trials, therefore I cannot mentor them, therefore I cannot participate in being a mentor at any level without possibly landing in a trial I cannot do and would have to leave.

Two levels of mentor roulette, one with and one without those trials included (and appropriate reward scaling), would be a great help.

[Vidu]

But that's the thing. At the current point in time I am entirely confident with providing dungeon-skill-level mentoring. Battle basics, how to handle boss gimmicks, whatever. I'd be happy to step into a mentor role at this level BUT I cannot at this point do EX trials, therefore I cannot mentor them, therefore I cannot participate in being a mentor at any level without possibly landing in a trial I cannot do and would have to leave.

I'd disagree with that - even if you cant help them with that specific trial, you can still fullfill your mentor role in an EX-trial: Simply by giving them the information the game has been withholding from them (as you noted yourself). Educating them about their options - unsych, PF, either watching a guide before attempting these trials or looking specifically for a party to run it blind - is valuable information that they most likely dont have. Maybe you wont get them the clear, but you'll have taught them something more than mechanics and achieved more than getting them their clear.

Personally I feel confident to attempt most EX-trials in mentor roulette, but even I will always tell the group at first that this isnt DF-content, that they should try unsych or PF instead - but that we can give it a go anyways. Sometimes we clear the trial (thats usually when I repeat that this still isnt meant for DF and that they'll have better success using another option), sometimes we dont. Either way I believe the most valuable piece of information I gave them is not that you need to tank-swap at a specific point but that there are better ways to do EX-trials. Thats information that anyone can give out.

(I still wouldnt mind a special roulette with the difficult stuff in it - but until then I dont think anyone should shy away from the roulette because they're worried they wont be able to clear Thordan EX with a bunch of newbies. I mean, you wont, but you'll still be able to give them good advice!)