New Job Necromancer

[Archwizard]

This is exactly how I would think things would go in game. Lore wise the other classes that are being compared to necromancer are just looked down on because of things like calamities caused by the misuse of the job. Black Mage quest has a conjuror coming to terms with not all black mages are destruction hungry etc. That is a huge difference in them making someone that deals with the resurrection of corpses in a hero spotlight.

I don't think Dark Knight is related to any calamities, and they're considered to be heretical in Ishgard (at least by the openly-bigoted Temple Knights). Most of the other city-states seem to be blissfully unaware of what a Dark Knight even is, though I can't imagine they'd take too kindly to a job whose skills, much like Necromancer, involve desecration (Salted Earth), vampirism (Abyssal Drain and Souleater), turning oneself into the undead (Living Dead), and general practice of Dark-type magics normally wielded by Ascians.

But another point worth discussing is that Dark Knight has a specific and necessary role within Ishgardian society, much as Rogues do in Limsa and White Mages in Gridania. Part of the BLM storyline is trying to plead legitimacy for the study to a skeptical Thaumaturge's Guild in Ul'dah, not too far removed from other jobs like AST or BLU trying to do the same.
In the Physical DPS storyline in Shadowbringers, a character cracks a joke that implies Necromancers were a somewhat common practice in the First at one point; obviously we're missing the context of the severity, but there's enough ambiguity there for leeway.

So on the one hand, you could have the argument that you're trying to resurrect a dead art (no pun intended) that was lost after, say, the fall of Belah'dia or the elevation of Gelmorran society. Much like Summoner, most people will raise an eyebrow but kinda ignore it after a little explanation that it's not what they think and that you have the special approval of <insert Grand Company leader here> to test it.
And on the other hand, you have the plausibility that it's actually a legitimate practice in some areas, like the First or possibly even Ul'dah (since they still secretly keep the zombification powder once used at Sil'dih) -- perhaps by a group that works on laying Ashkin back to rest, for instance, or hunting criminals much like Dark Knights -- so long as you have the proper authorization and stick to strict rules, as with White Mages.

[BasicBlake]

Character limit

I feel like a class being frowned upon by a religion of city may be slightly different that something being so looked down upon by the rest of the world. On the first wasn't the line used in regards to necromancers as villains as well?

I do feel like people could go on and on about why they could or could not work in a game setting here, and never come to a conclusion. Could we eventually get them, sure, I feel like once they eventually run out of ideas I don't see why not. But I don't feel like it's that late in the game that they need to appease the western 15-35 male playerbase yet. Necromancy is usually kept out of eastern games, so I don't know if I would put money on them bringing it in for the WoL to be the hero through the main story on something that is so frowned upon in the open world. This is where I know you will argue the other jobs, but those jobs aren't even talked about in any form outside their own quests. It's not like they have a random npc out in the middle of lets say Costa Del Sol with some undying hatred for Warriors or Black Mages, where the disdain for Necromancy/Blood Magic can be found throughout the world.

Not to mention the hopes they would have to jump through for the Chinese servers.

[Stepjam]

Besides necromancy healing will be inferior to the other healing methods. Just look at ESO for example with their necromancer.

I mean, it's not like the devs are restricted by what other games have done with the concept. They could make a necromancer healer the strongest in the game if they wanted to.

[BasicBlake]

I mean, it's not like the devs are restricted by what other games have done with the concept. They could make a necromancer healer the strongest in the game if they wanted to.

They would have to add a necromancer in general to the game first

[Archwizard]

I feel like a class being frowned upon by a religion of city may be slightly different that something being so looked down upon by the rest of the world. On the first wasn't the line used in regards to necromancers as villains as well?

Nah, it was Renda-Rae joking about paying a necromancer to resurrect her friends so she could kill them herself. From what I've seen, outside of Gelmorran instances like PotD, most of 14 doesn't really discuss necromancy or attitudes on it, at least not separately from Black Magic or the general concept of ritualistic sacrifice.

Not to mention the hopes they would have to jump through for the Chinese servers.

That largely depends on what kind of undead they use, but we already have Ashkin as enemies in the main game (many of which just use regular humanoid models). As long as Necromancers aren't summoning skeletons (where ghosts are a viable alternative) and throwing actual bones, I don't think that's as big of a problem as it's being made out to be. Particularly since unless the job does a massive amount of summoning (which would only be necessary as a DPS job), it wouldn't be too visually different from most other dark caster enemies.

[BasicBlake]

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Renda Rae, Ashkin, summoning or not, I don't really care. You wont be able to talk me into Necromancer as a hero of any story, and I wont be able to talk you into changing your mind that it shouldn't be. It's just gonna be a circle of "No no mage" and you will counter "but I require it".

But as for ashkin and summoning, massive or otherwise, they already don't like having pet classes. Maybe y'all could get a cute limited type class for it.

[Klaleara]

Nah, it was Renda-Rae joking about paying a necromancer to resurrect her friends so she could kill them herself. From what I've seen, outside of Gelmorran instances like PotD, most of 14 doesn't really discuss necromancy or attitudes on it, at least not separately from Black Magic or the general concept of ritualistic sacrifice.



That largely depends on what kind of undead they use, but we already have Ashkin as enemies in the main game (many of which just use regular humanoid models). As long as Necromancers aren't summoning skeletons (where ghosts are a viable alternative) and throwing actual bones, I don't think that's as big of a problem as it's being made out to be. Particularly since unless the job does a massive amount of summoning (which would only be necessary as a DPS job), it wouldn't be too visually different from most other dark caster enemies.

There are already Skeletons in the game as is. Just reskin the Necromancer minions on the chinese side like they do current skeletons already (With whatever they do).

People keep talking about Necromancer being looked down so much, I have legit not seen this. I've seen it brought up a couple times in not a bad way? The Thau questline mentions it, not bad or good, just "We should use this". People have mentioned Necromancer being used for evil, but I have yet to listen to anyone go off on how terrible Necromancer is, which I've seen in other games.

[Lauront]

Nah, it was Renda-Rae joking about paying a necromancer to resurrect her friends so she could kill them herself. From what I've seen, outside of Gelmorran instances like PotD, most of 14 doesn't really discuss necromancy or attitudes on it, at least not separately from Black Magic or the general concept of ritualistic sacrifice.



That largely depends on what kind of undead they use, but we already have Ashkin as enemies in the main game (many of which just use regular humanoid models). As long as Necromancers aren't summoning skeletons (where ghosts are a viable alternative) and throwing actual bones, I don't think that's as big of a problem as it's being made out to be. Particularly since unless the job does a massive amount of summoning (which would only be necessary as a DPS job), it wouldn't be too visually different from most other dark caster enemies.

I agree; there's enough variety in how the undead look in this game for it not to constitute a huge issue. Otherwise, they can just implement some manner of darkness wielding spiritualist in another shape or form.

[HeulGDarian]

Put it on arcanist , i want the dot specialist branch unlocked

[Lihtleita]

renda rae, potd and the thaumaturge guild all point to a necromancer job being possible. i just hope if its implemented that it is done as well as the other "outcast" jobs.