Getting a New House Feels Impossible

[Jojoya]

If people are annoyed with the current system do not defend SE and their excuses. They are not small indi team, they are not funded by a Kickstarter. Hold the company accountable do not solely try to vilify those who work within the system to get what they want.

Sure they are adding more housing after how many years this being an issue? Ishgard is just going to be a repeat of SB. Another bandaid. Do not be happy with the scraps they give ya, expect more from them not less. Do not ask for them to maintain status quo because well Yoshi-P said it would be too hard.

I like the current system I rather it not change to be honest, but still if you guys want change will have to hold SE more accountable.

In the end you are right they have taken action i just forgot about it since it largely amounted to nothing. Barely moved the needle.

People throw around the "small indie company" meme way too much. Any business, no matter how big, is still limited by budget, staff, facilities, technology infrastructure, etc. They can't do everything, nor can they do it instantly. Development takes time.

If someone feels SE is doing such a terrible job, they should stop buying SE's products. That is the effective way for consumers to hold a business accountable - stop doing business with them altogether. Don't merely threaten to stop giving them money if they don't change because they'll know that for the hollow threat it is. Actually do it.

Better yet, those players should go out and start up their own "small indie company" using the same resources and infrastructure to prove it can be done better. If they're incapable of doing that, then they're incapable of giving an honest assessment of whether SE is failing to do everything that is reasonably possible to change things.

As for barely moving the needle, the 4.2 ward additions were a fairly large jump in the needle even for NA. People probably don't remember it but most NA worlds had available houses for close to a year after those wards were added. Feel free to go back and cruise the 2018 posts in the Housing Census thread. The vast majority of complaints about availability were coming from three overpopulated worlds.

But the player base has jumped dramatically in size since then, largely in part to some spectacular failures in other games at the end of 2018 and start of 2019. I doubt very much that SE was expecting such a huge increase and certainly they weren't prepared for it.

SE has acknowledged that the current housing system isn't meeting the demands of the current player base and they want to do something about it. But creating new systems isn't something that is done in weeks. It takes months and sometimes years, especially when they still need to develop new content for other systems within the game. Until they are able to get a new system planned, developed and tested, the best they can do is give us those bandaids.

We know Ishgard housing is coming. That is what SE is currently working on. People need to be patient so we can see what impact its release will actually have on the housing situation.

Until then, apartments are still an option to give players access to housing while they wait for houses to become available. I just checked both Gilgamesh and Leviathan since those are the two highest pop worlds according to the most recent unofficial census. I had no trouble finding available apartments on either world.

Housing is out there, even if it's not the exact housing some players want. Well, you can't always get what you want in life, not even in a fantasy role playing game. Learn to deal.

[Awha]

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I agree they have to work within a budget, but that does not give players an excuse to come after other players who have more the one plot like we are the problem. The problem is solely on SE but people are quick to defend them because budget, limitations, etc . . . Sure SE says they care fine, sure they are working on Ishgard. End of the day people are quick to defend those who have too many plots by their standards and refuse to hold SE accountable for their own choices that have led to this situation and potentially appear they are going to repeat with Ishgard.

SE cares in the sense that it is an issue with the players, but for whatever either because they cannot, unable to figure it out or simply refuse to. This current system is solely on them and the players that have many plots are not to blame all the blame is on SE.

Yet you see people quick to complain about those who have many plots and come up with 100 and 1 reasons why SE is doing all they can. That is my issue, I understand they have limitations and choices to make managing projects is not fun from a budget perspective. It is always a give or take. Still if players are truly that upset about the current situation all the blame should be on SE, not the players that are working within the scope of the rules.

[Jojoya]

I agree they have to work within a budget, but that does not give players an excuse to come after other players who have more the one plot like we are the problem. The problem is solely on SE but people are quick to defend them because budget, limitations, etc . . . Sure SE says they care fine, sure they are working on Ishgard. End of the day people are quick to defend those who have too many plots by their standards and refuse to hold SE accountable for their own choices that have led to this situation and potentially appear they are going to repeat with Ishgard. .

SE shares the blame but it doesn't solely fall on them. The players who have purchased multiple houses on the same world since the 4.2 rules went in to effect absolutely share in the blame just as much as SE. They know what they are doing is wrong and yet do it anyway because they have no respect for the game, its rules or the rest of the player base. They only care about getting what they want.

SE needs to understand how not enforcing the house ownership rules damages the integrity of the game and the concept of fair play they promote. Not only are they allowing players to violate the posted rules, they're letting those players flaunt the violation in front of other players whose own game experience is being negatively impacted by it. It encourages more and more players to cheat as they see others openly getting away with it.

That's a bad precedent for any game developer to set.

Still the core issue to be addressed is the number of houses available to the player base. As good as it would be to see SE take action against the accounts of those who have purchased multiple houses since 4.2, it would be better to see a system added that ensured every player who wants a house can get one. Multiple house ownership would stop being a problem because no player would be blocked from ownership by the greed of another player.

[Missbone]

SE shares the blame but it doesn't solely fall on them. The players who have purchased multiple houses on the same world since the 4.2 rules went in to effect absolutely share in the blame just as much as SE. They know what they are doing is wrong and yet do it anyway because they have no respect for the game, its rules or the rest of the player base. They only care about getting what they want.

Its like you said, but even this is SE fault because as the Owner & Developer of this game SE has the possibility to take actions against such players and make things right. They could punish them, bann them or whatever, but they do not act at all. On my Server there is a FC that abuse this system since years and was already reported mutliple times, but SE gives a shit about it and they are still around.

There are some bad players out there no question, but that things don't get better and stay like they are is soley and alone the fault of the devolper and no one else.

Another quick example, this week i have created a new char on another DC. During the first hour i saw alone in the first zone around 20 leveling bots. Fighting enemys while invisible, porting from questlocation to questlocation, having the usual head > keyboard names and nearly everyone looked the same. I was so disgusted that i talked to someone there about what i saw and he mentioned the best thing is to ignore it since they are allways around and SE dont seem to be able or willing to handle it.

[Frizze]

Another quick example, this week i have created a new char on another DC. During the first hour i saw alone in the first zone around 20 leveling bots. Fighting enemys while invisible, porting from questlocation to questlocation, having the usual head > keyboard names and nearly everyone looked the same. I was so disgusted that i talked to someone there about what i saw and he mentioned the best thing is to ignore it since they are allways around and SE dont seem to be able or willing to handle it.

To be fair, they terminate thousands of accounts every week for this. A post like this appears every week(on thursday) on the website. The RMT people involved just start new accounts. They consider it a cost of doing business, and as long as its still profitable theyll keep doing it. For SEs part, they havent been willing to automate the process of banning these people.

[Sauteed]

I would say SE is to blame period in the way housing is handled. They created it, and curated it to this point and it has become what I consider a raging dumpster fire. It was this way for years from what I have come to understand, and probably going to continue to be this way for a long time to come. And I'm holding out hope that it changes with the introduction of Ishgardian Housing ( and I still have never seen anyone clearly come out and say YES THERE WILL BE HOUSES IN ISHGARD, so we may be in for a big disappointment but it does seem pretty clear there will be housing there).

My opinion is probably not popular, and yes people hoarding houses is in my opinion obtuse to the intent of the game. House hoarding is not something that player can be "guilty" of though under the current "rules". I've seen someone named COOKIEMonster or something like that saying hey just bust out the 50 wards per world and give people more chances at getting a house. To me, if they aren't going to fundamentally change the way things are handled right now, that seems like a pretty good quick fix. Instanced housing would be fine for a lot of folks, bigger apartments would satisfy a lot of people, but keeping a system from a small group of friends in an FC who are for whatever reason incapable of getting a house is again 100% Square Enix's fault, 100% no one else's at all in any way shape or form. Keeping gardening away from a large chunk of the player base again 100% Square Enix's fault, not .01% any one else's. It isn't my fault, it isn't some other player's fault for hoarding houses, or whatever argument any one will concoct. 100% Square Enix needing to identify they have a massive problem, and quit ignoring the elephant in the room / forums / game / other media outlets.

I've also said in the past, if I had 2 accounts, and got a house on both and someone said a syllable to me about it trying to make me feel any kind of grief about it, I'd blist them, and be glad I did.