Getting a New House Feels Impossible

[Drkdays]

Except YoshiP's letter, found in the housing forum seems to disagree. He says they want to add a lot more houses. He says he's sorry not everyone can get a house. He says it's a technical matter. So... The real problem is that they could take steps to make things better NOW but wont, despite overwhelming amounts of forums asking for just that. The man himself says things are not fine the way they are. Tossing around excuses? Refusing to accept? Not me, but maybe...someone else?

[Awha]

That is what I am saying since they refuse to do anything about and I do not care what they say since one can say anything. I go based off the actions one takes, has SE done anything to elevate the supply issue? On the contrary they silently removed the the one FC house per server which allowed new one person FC's to get upwards on 8 plots per server / service account.

Their actions tell a different tale, I am sure Yoshi-P is not happy, but does feeling and words alone change the situation?

I base my judgment around the actions one take not the words, since talk is cheap. If SE and Yoshi-P really not happy then make changes to the supply aspect show the people through action that you are not happy. Do not try to placate people with comforting words.

[Jojoya]

That is what I am saying since they refuse to do anything about and I do not care what they say since one can say anything. I go based off the actions one takes, has SE done anything to elevate the supply issue? On the contrary they silently removed the the one FC house per server which allowed new one person FC's to get upwards on 8 plots per server / service account.

Their actions tell a different tale, I am sure Yoshi-P is not happy, but does feeling and words alone change the situation?

I base my judgment around the actions one take not the words, since talk is cheap. If SE and Yoshi-P really not happy then make changes to the supply aspect show the people through action that you are not happy. Do not try to placate people with comforting words.

You sound like you don't know they just added 3 more wards in 5.1. Was that not action?

You sound like you don't know Ishgard housing is coming. That's not mere talk. We can see the evidence of it on our servers right now. Is that not action?

This dev team has done more than talk. They have taken action, even if that action is not happening as rapidly as some players want but then players always have unreasonable expectations when it comes to game development. All they can think of is the immediate gratification and not all the work that goes into making those things happen.

[Awha]

You sound like you don't know they just added 3 more wards in 5.1. Was that not action?

You sound like you don't know Ishgard housing is coming. That's not mere talk. We can see the evidence of it on our servers right now. Is that not action?

This dev team has done more than talk. They have taken action, even if that action is not happening as rapidly as some players want but then players always have unreasonable expectations when it comes to game development. All they can think of is the immediate gratification and not all the work that goes into making those things happen.

This is what I do not get, people are quick to defend SE when they have all power in this yet they complain about us that have more then one plot per server like we are the enemy. I am not saying you are saying this or have this view. Placing a bandaid on a gaping wound and then telling the person this is all they can do sorry we have limitations is not going to fix anything. Sure we can attack people with multiple plots but that is just adding more bandaids.

If people are annoyed with the current system do not defend SE and their excuses. They are not small indi team, they are not funded by a Kickstarter. Hold the company accountable do not solely try to vilify those who work within the system to get what they want.

Sure they are adding more housing after how many years this being an issue? Ishgard is just going to be a repeat of SB. Another bandaid. Do not be happy with the scraps they give ya, expect more from them not less. Do not ask for them to maintain status quo because well Yoshi-P said it would be too hard.

I like the current system I rather it not change to be honest, but still if you guys want change will have to hold SE more accountable.

In the end you are right they have taken action i just forgot about it since it largely amounted to nothing. Barely moved the needle.

[LalafellDown]

Having the timer is fair because it give anyone a chance at the limited housing. It sound punishing, but that’s because the people who really want it now have a chance to fight for it. In the past housing would be all taken up and there wouldn’t even be a thing called chance. I understand the frustration, but if the timer never existed this post would be worded differently to say there are no houses left and we need more houses.

If it wasn’t for the timer I would’ve never been able to pick up a house. I stumbled on my house by chance. No one picked it up and the timer was gone. Otherwise I wouldn’t have a chance at it like all the times before.

If the timer existed and I still didn’t have a house. I would still agree with the timer because it gives others a chance.

I would want a house for everyone, but because we can’t have that it has to be limited like this to prevent the resellers for taking it all up. I wish The Devs would implement a one house per account rule. Doesn’t matter if you have a FC or privet house. You can only have one. Also if you join a FC you cannot have a house of your own unless you’re the FC leader who owns a privet house or the FC house.

[Drkdays]

I honestly don't mind the invisible timer as much as I do the stupid length of the timer. A player should not have to suffer through camping a placard and earnestly clicking it for sixteen hours before falling asleep, only to wake up three hours later in a panic and see it went to someone that they hadn't even seen arrive. A full day wasted for nothing. Nor do I think the relocation ability of those who already have a house fair. There should be a time limit of, say, four hours on the plot before it is no longer possible to relocate.

[Lissandra]

I honestly don't mind the invisible timer as much as I do the stupid length of the timer. A player should not have to suffer through camping a placard and earnestly clicking it for sixteen hours before falling asleep, only to wake up three hours later in a panic and see it went to someone that they hadn't even seen arrive. A full day wasted for nothing. Nor do I think the relocation ability of those who already have a house fair. There should be a time limit of, say, four hours on the plot before it is no longer possible to relocate.

This might have been mentioned before, but why not lower the timer by a huge margin and subject relocation to the same restrictions as purchasing? Basically, you cannot relocate to it until the house is actually able to be purchased. Then they would have to sit there and spam with potential buyers.

[Awha]

This might have been mentioned before, but why not lower the timer by a huge margin and subject relocation to the same restrictions as purchasing? Basically, you cannot relocate to it until the house is actually able to be purchased. Then they would have to sit there and spam with potential buyers.

I do think having relocation not subject to the same timer as buying as a little silly tbh. Granted, I have messed with people using relocation, even so I do think it only makes sense to have both share the same timer.

[Jojoya]

If people are annoyed with the current system do not defend SE and their excuses. They are not small indi team, they are not funded by a Kickstarter. Hold the company accountable do not solely try to vilify those who work within the system to get what they want.

Sure they are adding more housing after how many years this being an issue? Ishgard is just going to be a repeat of SB. Another bandaid. Do not be happy with the scraps they give ya, expect more from them not less. Do not ask for them to maintain status quo because well Yoshi-P said it would be too hard.

I like the current system I rather it not change to be honest, but still if you guys want change will have to hold SE more accountable.

In the end you are right they have taken action i just forgot about it since it largely amounted to nothing. Barely moved the needle.

People throw around the "small indie company" meme way too much. Any business, no matter how big, is still limited by budget, staff, facilities, technology infrastructure, etc. They can't do everything, nor can they do it instantly. Development takes time.

If someone feels SE is doing such a terrible job, they should stop buying SE's products. That is the effective way for consumers to hold a business accountable - stop doing business with them altogether. Don't merely threaten to stop giving them money if they don't change because they'll know that for the hollow threat it is. Actually do it.

Better yet, those players should go out and start up their own "small indie company" using the same resources and infrastructure to prove it can be done better. If they're incapable of doing that, then they're incapable of giving an honest assessment of whether SE is failing to do everything that is reasonably possible to change things.

As for barely moving the needle, the 4.2 ward additions were a fairly large jump in the needle even for NA. People probably don't remember it but most NA worlds had available houses for close to a year after those wards were added. Feel free to go back and cruise the 2018 posts in the Housing Census thread. The vast majority of complaints about availability were coming from three overpopulated worlds.

But the player base has jumped dramatically in size since then, largely in part to some spectacular failures in other games at the end of 2018 and start of 2019. I doubt very much that SE was expecting such a huge increase and certainly they weren't prepared for it.

SE has acknowledged that the current housing system isn't meeting the demands of the current player base and they want to do something about it. But creating new systems isn't something that is done in weeks. It takes months and sometimes years, especially when they still need to develop new content for other systems within the game. Until they are able to get a new system planned, developed and tested, the best they can do is give us those bandaids.

We know Ishgard housing is coming. That is what SE is currently working on. People need to be patient so we can see what impact its release will actually have on the housing situation.

Until then, apartments are still an option to give players access to housing while they wait for houses to become available. I just checked both Gilgamesh and Leviathan since those are the two highest pop worlds according to the most recent unofficial census. I had no trouble finding available apartments on either world.

Housing is out there, even if it's not the exact housing some players want. Well, you can't always get what you want in life, not even in a fantasy role playing game. Learn to deal.

[Awha]

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I agree they have to work within a budget, but that does not give players an excuse to come after other players who have more the one plot like we are the problem. The problem is solely on SE but people are quick to defend them because budget, limitations, etc . . . Sure SE says they care fine, sure they are working on Ishgard. End of the day people are quick to defend those who have too many plots by their standards and refuse to hold SE accountable for their own choices that have led to this situation and potentially appear they are going to repeat with Ishgard.

SE cares in the sense that it is an issue with the players, but for whatever either because they cannot, unable to figure it out or simply refuse to. This current system is solely on them and the players that have many plots are not to blame all the blame is on SE.

Yet you see people quick to complain about those who have many plots and come up with 100 and 1 reasons why SE is doing all they can. That is my issue, I understand they have limitations and choices to make managing projects is not fun from a budget perspective. It is always a give or take. Still if players are truly that upset about the current situation all the blame should be on SE, not the players that are working within the scope of the rules.