Getting a New House Feels Impossible

[Drkdays]

It's because having a system of RNG in place is going to tick people off as well. Also the Timer is in place to keep people from selling a plot directly to another player.

Being unlucky with RNG might tick people off, but at least they'd be able to sleep/work/do absolutely anything that didn't involve a repetitive button rotation for 8-12 hours, and still have peace of mind. And they could add percentages, too. Like say after putting in your name three times, you have a higher chance of winning the house, stacking. For example the first house would be a roll of 1-100 between petitioners, and the second 5-100. The more often you try the more likely you'd be. A reward for effort (often many hours of effort) that does not exist now.

[Awha]

Being unlucky with RNG might tick people off, but at least they'd be able to sleep/work/do absolutely anything that didn't involve a repetitive button rotation for 8-12 hours, and still have peace of mind. And they could add percentages, too. Like say after putting in your name three times, you have a higher chance of winning the house, stacking. For example the first house would be a roll of 1-100 between petitioners, and the second 5-100. The more often you try the more likely you'd be. A reward for effort (often many hours of effort) that does not exist now.

Problem with RNG it removes any aspect of input from the player. At the very least people can try everything in their power to get a plot. Even with an RNG system that increases your chances unless they have a flat 100% chance rate after a certain number of tries then someone will always roll zero, and people will complain. Look at our crafting when people use to complain about lulz 90% success rate. Trading one crappy system for another is not progress. Players are rewarded for trying currently, the reward is the plot. Issue is only one person can win, even with an RNG system only one person will win, and even with a progressive system that increases odds after every loss you will still run into issues where even that will become a RNG toss up between people at the same thresh hold. That RNG system strips all outside input from the player if they are willing to go the extra mile to get a plot. I do not get the need to change from one unfair system to another unfair system.

Our housing system is not perfect by any stretch but at the very least players have some sense of control over getting a plot. Personally not a fan of RNG since if their is a chance to roll zero, and with RNG there is always the chance to roll zero someone will roll that zero.

[Drkdays]

Problem with RNG it removes any aspect of input from the player. At the very least people can try everything in their power to get a plot.

Don't make it sound like there is more than one way to go about this. Just the one...Mindless clicking for as long as your stamina can hold out. Don't you see, if it's an RNG system that gets put in place, then a lot MORE people will get a chance to get a house, not just that small group of dehydrated people still on and trying at 3am that're going to get only two hours of sleep before their twelve hour shift...

[Awha]

Let us be fair, if SE really wanted to make a housing system for everyone they would put time and money to make it work. At the end if the day the finite supply is what supports the view that at the games current state only the few are intended to have a plot. We can try to say SE has other limiting factors that make us feel good about the current situation or remove fault from SE. In the end their actions alone are what support the only the few statement. If it is because of inability or inaction due to technical or financial the fact remains housing is still limited so as such it clear to think it was not meant for everyone.

Why put other factors in place to limit housing when the greatest limiting factor is already in place lack of supply? I never said why they are limting it, idk nor do I really care. But the fact remains we have a limited supply so clearly SE is fine with only a limited amount of people having a house.

In my eyes you are the one tossing around excuses since you refuse to accept that maybe just maybe SE is fine with the way things are and are okay with housing being something only a small percentage of the player base.

You call it phantom entitlement I call it facing reality. Are plots limited? Yes. Has SE done anything as of late to fix that? No. So clearly housing is meant to be limited. I do speculate oon their intent and vision I just go based off their actions. Seems pretty straight forward.

Also if someone is willing to make that choice so be it, maybe I am a dark person but I support the choices of people. So if someone wants to risk their health for a plot go for it. That is on them and not SE and it is not something players need to create a crusade for.

[Drkdays]

Except YoshiP's letter, found in the housing forum seems to disagree. He says they want to add a lot more houses. He says he's sorry not everyone can get a house. He says it's a technical matter. So... The real problem is that they could take steps to make things better NOW but wont, despite overwhelming amounts of forums asking for just that. The man himself says things are not fine the way they are. Tossing around excuses? Refusing to accept? Not me, but maybe...someone else?

[Awha]

That is what I am saying since they refuse to do anything about and I do not care what they say since one can say anything. I go based off the actions one takes, has SE done anything to elevate the supply issue? On the contrary they silently removed the the one FC house per server which allowed new one person FC's to get upwards on 8 plots per server / service account.

Their actions tell a different tale, I am sure Yoshi-P is not happy, but does feeling and words alone change the situation?

I base my judgment around the actions one take not the words, since talk is cheap. If SE and Yoshi-P really not happy then make changes to the supply aspect show the people through action that you are not happy. Do not try to placate people with comforting words.

[Jojoya]

That is what I am saying since they refuse to do anything about and I do not care what they say since one can say anything. I go based off the actions one takes, has SE done anything to elevate the supply issue? On the contrary they silently removed the the one FC house per server which allowed new one person FC's to get upwards on 8 plots per server / service account.

Their actions tell a different tale, I am sure Yoshi-P is not happy, but does feeling and words alone change the situation?

I base my judgment around the actions one take not the words, since talk is cheap. If SE and Yoshi-P really not happy then make changes to the supply aspect show the people through action that you are not happy. Do not try to placate people with comforting words.

You sound like you don't know they just added 3 more wards in 5.1. Was that not action?

You sound like you don't know Ishgard housing is coming. That's not mere talk. We can see the evidence of it on our servers right now. Is that not action?

This dev team has done more than talk. They have taken action, even if that action is not happening as rapidly as some players want but then players always have unreasonable expectations when it comes to game development. All they can think of is the immediate gratification and not all the work that goes into making those things happen.

[Awha]

You sound like you don't know they just added 3 more wards in 5.1. Was that not action?

You sound like you don't know Ishgard housing is coming. That's not mere talk. We can see the evidence of it on our servers right now. Is that not action?

This dev team has done more than talk. They have taken action, even if that action is not happening as rapidly as some players want but then players always have unreasonable expectations when it comes to game development. All they can think of is the immediate gratification and not all the work that goes into making those things happen.

This is what I do not get, people are quick to defend SE when they have all power in this yet they complain about us that have more then one plot per server like we are the enemy. I am not saying you are saying this or have this view. Placing a bandaid on a gaping wound and then telling the person this is all they can do sorry we have limitations is not going to fix anything. Sure we can attack people with multiple plots but that is just adding more bandaids.

If people are annoyed with the current system do not defend SE and their excuses. They are not small indi team, they are not funded by a Kickstarter. Hold the company accountable do not solely try to vilify those who work within the system to get what they want.

Sure they are adding more housing after how many years this being an issue? Ishgard is just going to be a repeat of SB. Another bandaid. Do not be happy with the scraps they give ya, expect more from them not less. Do not ask for them to maintain status quo because well Yoshi-P said it would be too hard.

I like the current system I rather it not change to be honest, but still if you guys want change will have to hold SE more accountable.

In the end you are right they have taken action i just forgot about it since it largely amounted to nothing. Barely moved the needle.

[Jojoya]

If people are annoyed with the current system do not defend SE and their excuses. They are not small indi team, they are not funded by a Kickstarter. Hold the company accountable do not solely try to vilify those who work within the system to get what they want.

Sure they are adding more housing after how many years this being an issue? Ishgard is just going to be a repeat of SB. Another bandaid. Do not be happy with the scraps they give ya, expect more from them not less. Do not ask for them to maintain status quo because well Yoshi-P said it would be too hard.

I like the current system I rather it not change to be honest, but still if you guys want change will have to hold SE more accountable.

In the end you are right they have taken action i just forgot about it since it largely amounted to nothing. Barely moved the needle.

People throw around the "small indie company" meme way too much. Any business, no matter how big, is still limited by budget, staff, facilities, technology infrastructure, etc. They can't do everything, nor can they do it instantly. Development takes time.

If someone feels SE is doing such a terrible job, they should stop buying SE's products. That is the effective way for consumers to hold a business accountable - stop doing business with them altogether. Don't merely threaten to stop giving them money if they don't change because they'll know that for the hollow threat it is. Actually do it.

Better yet, those players should go out and start up their own "small indie company" using the same resources and infrastructure to prove it can be done better. If they're incapable of doing that, then they're incapable of giving an honest assessment of whether SE is failing to do everything that is reasonably possible to change things.

As for barely moving the needle, the 4.2 ward additions were a fairly large jump in the needle even for NA. People probably don't remember it but most NA worlds had available houses for close to a year after those wards were added. Feel free to go back and cruise the 2018 posts in the Housing Census thread. The vast majority of complaints about availability were coming from three overpopulated worlds.

But the player base has jumped dramatically in size since then, largely in part to some spectacular failures in other games at the end of 2018 and start of 2019. I doubt very much that SE was expecting such a huge increase and certainly they weren't prepared for it.

SE has acknowledged that the current housing system isn't meeting the demands of the current player base and they want to do something about it. But creating new systems isn't something that is done in weeks. It takes months and sometimes years, especially when they still need to develop new content for other systems within the game. Until they are able to get a new system planned, developed and tested, the best they can do is give us those bandaids.

We know Ishgard housing is coming. That is what SE is currently working on. People need to be patient so we can see what impact its release will actually have on the housing situation.

Until then, apartments are still an option to give players access to housing while they wait for houses to become available. I just checked both Gilgamesh and Leviathan since those are the two highest pop worlds according to the most recent unofficial census. I had no trouble finding available apartments on either world.

Housing is out there, even if it's not the exact housing some players want. Well, you can't always get what you want in life, not even in a fantasy role playing game. Learn to deal.

[Awha]

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I agree they have to work within a budget, but that does not give players an excuse to come after other players who have more the one plot like we are the problem. The problem is solely on SE but people are quick to defend them because budget, limitations, etc . . . Sure SE says they care fine, sure they are working on Ishgard. End of the day people are quick to defend those who have too many plots by their standards and refuse to hold SE accountable for their own choices that have led to this situation and potentially appear they are going to repeat with Ishgard.

SE cares in the sense that it is an issue with the players, but for whatever either because they cannot, unable to figure it out or simply refuse to. This current system is solely on them and the players that have many plots are not to blame all the blame is on SE.

Yet you see people quick to complain about those who have many plots and come up with 100 and 1 reasons why SE is doing all they can. That is my issue, I understand they have limitations and choices to make managing projects is not fun from a budget perspective. It is always a give or take. Still if players are truly that upset about the current situation all the blame should be on SE, not the players that are working within the scope of the rules.