Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
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1. My point is that if they didn't need to change anything then they didn't need to make a new job. They did, which clearly indicates it's a bit more complex than you're implying.

2. If they're similar to Conjurers then that's simply an argument for them to be Healers you realize.

3. Red Mages predate FFXI, and again, each iteration of them is different. XI's Red Mages have little in common with XIV's in spite of being the same job because the systems of their respective games are different.

4. None of what I've said is arguing to argue. Pointing out that Geomancers can more than stand on their own is not arguing to argue.

Quote Originally Posted by GucciSan View Post
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1. I mean, I wouldn't say the job fantasy of White Mage is the same as the job fantasy of Geomancer though, so you're not really winning any argument there. I wouldn't call a Druid the same thing as a Geomancer either, but White Mage is pretty divorced from the original Conjurer at this point in terms of aesthetics.

2. The real critical flaw with your argument is that you're ultimately making a subjective argument here. You see Conjurer and Geomancer as the same thing. I don't. WoW has Druid and Shaman for instance. To you those are the same thing. To Blizzard they're different. To others a myriad of different answers. FF has a number of jobs that some would say is the same as another, but others might say they're different. How you feel does not mean it's absolute. To me they do not represent the same "job fantasy" (which is a pointless distinction to me).