WAR needs love

[A-Omega]

WAR main here...I don’t complain much, but WAR is unplayable for me now. Our damage notch, gone. Our survivability, gone...in its place, subpar raid utility that pales in comparison to our fellow tanks. NF is horrible, it’s not like Heart of Stone, Divine Vail, or TBN. It’s totally reliant on another party member, to give us an ability, that was stripped from us. Maybe I’m just crying, but every tank has a feel totally absent from current WAR. Our gap closer is locked behind gauge that we can’t build outside of combat while all other tanks have 2 stacks. I could go on, but I already feel like I’m whining. I just want WAR to feel mighty again or at least like I belong beside my fellow tanks

[Vatom]

Yeah I agree to the buff of warrior you don’t need parsing to see that gunbreaker and dark knight of play WAR’s burst dps style if your gonna burst at least let me feel it and don’t tell me inner release give you crit cause it doesn’t matter if you don’t have dmg now now your gonna hit me with the tanks don’t need dmg and that’s true but and that’s a big butt I can assure you NF bad doesn’t gain for its worth you also need another player for it that kinda rude thx square for more double gating not only that but gives you 10% DR Weak! Also tide to raw cd like why WHY! Is that there play elaborate that it’s not clever it’s not balance it’s just there I have to choose 15%dr on my self or 10% with a weak bloodbath that feels like I’m tickling my self and the person next to me I could write a book on this I’m just highlighting one of the millions of flaws that killed the class the King is dead since shadow bringer and I’m a Drk main man but it still saddens me to play war time to time and be disappointed

[Hierro]

Bro.

WAR can perform up to 5k HPS. It turns into a third healer!

Imagine how much freedom that allows the healers.

Sure, WAR can heal, but can it DPS? WAR DPS is not as far behind as it seems. Is it 4th? Yes. Is it bad? Not even close. Best GNB in E5S has 12.5k aDPS, whereas best WAR has 12.4k aDPS. Are we really going to cry about 100 DPS? In E8S, that gap jumps to a shocking 400 DPS! Wowsers! WAR's so undepowered amirite?

WAR has their 30% mitigation, and rampart, just like every other tank. Holmgang, that's probably the best invuln. Bro, WAR's got it all: damage, mitigation, healing.

What more you want?

[Claire_Pendragon]

Personally just want the job to be fun/engaging again lol. (mostly liked older defense builds, followed by SBs threat control. Now they are just over simplified blue DPS, with mostly the same simple DPS rotation from SB.)
But to be honest, Im rooting for DRK more than WAR, I love me some 2hand swords <.<; (Again, playstyle, not actual performance)

[Recon1o6]

I miss the thought required back to play it well in SB and the build variety in HW

Warrior got nothing this expansion
it had bloodbath returned to it as nascent flash (returned skills are not new skills) an aoe qol change that didn't need to be required before previous dev mistakes and generic damage upgrades to memecleave

I miss inner beast, such a satisfying sound and funny feeling seeing my 5 ft tall au ra uppercut Titan in the crotch with her axe. I can't even see her anymore using fell cleave there's so much sparks and discs


Levelling my blm in the grand company squadron was very painful for me. why? Seeing all these old abilities the devs have removed over the years from our favourite jobs, looking at you phelbotomise, butchers block, mercy stroke, largresse, fracture and level 15 assassinate

[Sqwall]

I said this back in March and I was crucified for thinking NF was a meh ability.

I still think this today, and still feel that the devs should come up with something better that is more inline with the other tank classes that don't rely on another class to use. I mean PLD can even heal themselves to proc Divine Veil if the healer isn't healing them.

Warrior is still a "cool" class to play and will probably always be a cool class to play. It's hard hitting and gratifying to see huge numbers pop up. But the job needs to have some synergy added to make it "less of a chore" to play.
PLD is perfect combat flow
DRK is perfect combat flow (best in my opinion)
GNB is perfect combat flow
WAR needs work on it's burst phase as I find it very "stars align" you get good DPS feel. Same with NF as it's usable only when it's right, and in this case large AOE packs. I hardly ever use it on bosses or 8 man raids. I usually use raw intuition for damage reduction. Apart from using as OT ability...it's still just MEH.

And let's be honest with NF is only good with Inner Release. Other then that it's strong with if you pop Infuriate for Inner Chaos. Might get 18-24k heals.

Might as well bring back Bloodbath as a warrior only skill and remove it from all the DPS roles. Shake it Off is the only raid utility that is one of the warriors strongest. Raid wide damage reduction...AND it applies to the warrior also. Great skill.

Anyways...those are my opinions.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I said this back in March and I was crucified for thinking NF was a meh ability.

I still think this today, and still feel that the devs should come up with something better that is more inline with the other tank classes that don't rely on another class to use. I mean PLD can even heal themselves to proc Divine Veil if the healer isn't healing them.

this doesn't even come close to compare. the equivalent skill you are looking for Nascent Flash is Intervention on Paladin, which does require a party member targeted to use. Divine Veil equivalent is Shake it Off, which does not require a middle man for activation.

[Vatom]

this doesn't even come close to compare. the equivalent skill you are looking for Nascent Flash is Intervention on Paladin, which does require a party member targeted to use. Divine Veil equivalent is Shake it Off, which does not require a middle man for activation.

It’s kinda of not a equivalent since NF isn’t on a gauge and isn’t only for a party member DR

[Sqwall]

It’s kinda of not a equivalent since NF isn’t on a gauge and isn’t only for a party member DR

My thoughts exactly. Intervention requires you to think about what you are using it for because it costs oath. Intervention is fire and forget, and I usually pop rampart or sentinel for OT absorption for tank busters or tank cleave.

Nascent flash is just...there. I honestly think the duration needs to be 10 seconds of HP absorption, and then it would be a skill that I can take a little more time to think about what I want to do before it's over.

[A-Omega]

You have to look at what you get from the skill before you compare it. The purpose of WAR using NF is for the health regen(something gutted from the kit in stormblood, but still attached to steel cyclone, that still got gutted). You can’t compare that to intervention which exists ONLY as utility.
Had NF given a free infuriate stack, I’d be fine with it. Rip out a core element in our job, then give it back in a weird gated fashion just seems...wrong