WAR needs love

[Vatom]

Ok nice flex I mean ultimate really isn’t relevant Anymore and savage anyone can do now not Like I haven’t savage since HW too so now I’ll retract my last statement Out of respect it was out of line but back to the debate

I think I’m getting what your saying now that we clear some of it up your saying they are all the same cause they can be given to other player and I’m saying no they are not now that we got this part of where we stand let’s go back into what I was getting and you can retort

NF does not = intervention or tbn or Hos especially his and tbn and that be cause they can be dropped on themselves whole mech that changes it’s us and benefits the tank and tbn is even better granted if it break you get a free att I mean I could complain about my cost but this isn’t a drk thread it’s a War thread if NF did any of that I could say yeah those two should be in twine with this but they are in a different group or to be in a compromising position sub group that’s the closet I’ll get but intervention is tied by gauge = not a cd for pld raw and NF tied together that’s a cd no a team buff though it has the workings of it I’ll give you that because of the locking of it to another player And my comment all of the tank abilities like that might as well be all in the same group was just sarcasm sorry flew over someone’s head I guess just because the have 1 true similarity does mean they are but anyway it still doesn’t come close to the other excluding pld which can also cover... does that count too? But anyway even if we go you route it’s still at the lowest of the 4 which is why this thread was made plus the other parts of war that kinda don’t fit together but let’s us finish with your reply and move on to real matters at hand which is to discuss war faults granted I still see other tank have some too but no game is perfect just war needs well... some love Anyway I’m done

Please respond

Note: I don’t need to talk out my *** as your saying I’ve been through the ups and downs of this game for roughly 8years I’ve seen Drk dodge aoes like they never existed I’ve done it I’ve seen Pld cheese mechs and revive a healer so he could lb3 the party I’ve seen Warriors clutch the clear cause he said I got this and bloodbath his way to victory so no I never talk out my *** but I give you this I was a bit emotional and for that your have my regrets but don’t think cause of ultimate you and I are on a different scaling cause I’ve seen it and done it

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Ok nice flex I mean ultimate really isn’t relevant Anymore and savage anyone can do now not Like I haven’t savage since HW too so now I’ll retract my last statement Out of respect it was out of line but back to the debate

I wouldn't describe Ultimates as "really isn’t relevant Anymore" they are still the most difficult content in the game and still some people struggle even now. Savage is hit and miss, but a lot of people even struggle with that. Both still deserve some respect in terms of the content it brings, even though savage has become easier over the years.

I think I’m getting what your saying now that we clear some of it up your saying they are all the same cause they can be given to other player and I’m saying no they are not now that we got this part of where we stand let’s go back into what I was getting and you can retort

NF does not = intervention or tbn or Hos especially his and tbn and that be cause they can be dropped on themselves whole mech that changes it’s us and benefits the tank and tbn is even better granted if it break you get a free att I mean I could complain about my cost but this isn’t a drk thread it’s a War thread if NF did any of that I could say yeah those two should be in twine with this but they are in a different group or to be in a compromising position sub group that’s the closet I’ll get but intervention is tied by gauge = not a cd for pld raw and NF tied together that’s a cd no a team buff though it has the workings of it I’ll give you that because of the locking of it to another player And my comment all of the tank abilities like that might as well be all in the same group was just sarcasm sorry flew over someone’s head I guess just because the have 1 true similarity does mean they are but anyway it still doesn’t come close to the other excluding pld which can also cover... does that count too? But anyway even if we go you route it’s still at the lowest of the 4 which is why this thread was made plus the other parts of war that kinda don’t fit together but let’s us finish with your reply and move on to real matters at hand which is to discuss war faults granted I still see other tank have some too but no game is perfect just war needs well... some love Anyway I’m done

Please respond

There isn't much here I need to counter with as this is very much an agree to disagree scenario. Obviously each skill is different, but all four skills carry out the same function when used on another party member other than self. All four mitigate damage on another party member. Each has a unique feature, WAR gets to heal itself plus target member through NF. PLD can buff their Intervention, but only if it lines up, you don't typically go out of your way to buff it, unless required cooldowns will be back up for when you need them. TBN, you've already brought up, personally the cost is justified imo, so as to not abuse a cheaper cost for flood/edge, and it also has the shortest recast timer of all four. HoS can apply it's BS on top of the 15%, only while under the effect of BS. And, all have a unique trade-off to use, NF shares a recast timer with RI, Intervention has a cost of 50 gauge, TBN cost 3,000mp, and prevent a second use on self if use on another and HoS just a recast timer but same as TBN precludes another use until it comes off cooldown, also arguably the weaker of the four imo. As far as I see it, all four skills work in the same capacity with similarities to one another. Therefore I classify them all under one branch, the only exception is TBN and HoS, are treated with a dual classification since they also compare against Sheltron and Raw Intuition.

*side note*: Cover I kinda view as a unique utility skill along the same lines as Passage of Arms, mostly as it's a redirect of damage, not a damage mitigation skill outright.

I can understand wanting improvements for WAR, but NF I do not agree with needing any sort of change, I genuinely believe requiring a party member keeps the skill balanced, to use Clemency as a point to argue, it's very potent but requires MP and a GCD to use so requires a heavy cost for a large amount of healing, NF being less, but still absurd levels for how frequent it can be used, targeting requirement in my eyes seems fair. Honestly I believe WAR requires a full rework and the removal of current IR on the whole and redesigned is more vital for the job to make it less boring to play and not the odd child out with the guaranteed crit DH mechanic, preventing it sharing the actual BiS with the other three tanks but to name a couple problems with the job.

Note: I don’t need to talk out my *** as your saying I’ve been through the ups and downs of this game for roughly 8years I’ve seen Drk dodge aoes like they never existed I’ve done it I’ve seen Pld cheese mechs and revive a healer so he could lb3 the party I’ve seen Warriors clutch the clear cause he said I got this and bloodbath his way to victory so no I never talk out my *** but I give you this I was a bit emotional and for that your have my regrets but don’t think cause of ultimate you and I are on a different scaling cause I’ve seen it and done it

Tbh, you did p*** me off ngl, and I've played since the beginning of HW, so I've seen and done it all from that point onwards, and only thing I won't take your word on here is, "I’ve seen Pld cheese mechs and revive a healer so he could lb3 the party". Simply because Raise was traited on WHM to allow combat raise, a trait which paladin did not gain access to. As you did p*** me off, by insulting me, of course, I was not going to be polite in my response, and I used my ultimate and savage accolades as a counter point to your "lol do you even tank".

[Hierro]

no game is perfect just war needs well... some love

Tackling that mess of a run-on sentence is no easy task. I'm not even going to bother! Bro, you need to learn about your periods, commas, and other punctuation marks.

[BarretOblivion]

WAR needs a rework. Heck I would argue all tanks need another rework after the failure that is ShB rework for tanks. Sure, they got rid of minor annoyances but they gave us nothing back to actually chew on in tanking. WAR isn't played to me because its boring to play now, even if they buffed WAR to highest DPS I wouldn't play it... its boring to play.

[Gone_Gorge]

The war is strong enough. No adjustment needed.

[Hierro]

The war is strong enough. No adjustment needed.

WAR, and the rest of the tanks, are mechanically sound.

But none of them are strong enough. DAMAGE BUFFS NOW!

[Kolsykol]

I bet the OP is listening to RnB or Techno music instead of Death Metal.
You just gotta switch the music and you'll see.

[Sqwall]

I will say this again: " I was crucified for mentioning this in a previous post!"

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ior-clunkyness

And it was the same people defending without a justified conversation to discuss the OP. Maybe this is why i'm always disappointed by these forums when I ask for a simple discussion and peoples thoughts.

Some people just have to strong opinions and refuse to accept that warrior needs work, and will defend it until SE changes it. Sit there chant "This is the way"

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I will say this again: " I was crucified for mentioning this in a previous post!"

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ior-clunkyness

And it was the same people defending without a justified conversation to discuss the OP. Maybe this is why i'm always disappointed by these forums when I ask for a simple discussion and peoples thoughts.

Some people just have to strong opinions and refuse to accept that warrior needs work, and will defend it until SE changes it. Sit there chant "This is the way"

Unjustified = given very valid reason but ignored because OP disagrees...sounds about right lul

side note: Forums aren't here so everyone can just agree with you, we all gave plenty of justified reasoning behind why we disagreed with the topic, and it all boiled down to a single-minded view, of you're right and the rest of us are wrong. Yes WAR does need work, but it needs an expansion level rework.

[Sqwall]

Yes WAR does need work, but it needs an expansion level rework.

This is all that you had to say.... Accepting the fact that out of ALL the tanks warrior is the one that needs the most attention. I think everyone can honestly agree they would play others knowing how well they play compared to warrior.

Can we not? Or am I just trying to get all the masses to agree that warrior is perfect and doesn't need work?