General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[ReiMakoto]

Did you read the middle paragraph of my post?
Other players clearly considered AST cards as a part of their gameplay because they would analyse every card you used and judge you for it constantly, and get offended if you used a card they didn't want you to use.
Now, you are just trusted to perform your job optimally, just like every other job in the game.

I'm not saying the new system is easier, by many metrics it's harder to optimise, which if anything is more challenge, more skill, rather than just RNG.

Okay yeah so the only reason the new system isn't judged like the old system is because of the changes that have occured due to how dps is measured now. People judged how cards were used before because under the old ranking system ast cards would improve the person recieving the cards dps ranking. Under the new changes how ast uses their cards only effects the asts damage ranking due to how rankings now operate on RDPS not DPS. If we had the old system under the new climate people simply wouldnt care as much because how the ast uses their cards won't effect their rdps ranking, only the asts.

[Deceptus]

I can't say for NA, but on my DC it's 50% Tank in need, 45% Healer in need and 5% DPS in need. Healers are surely are more often in need now than they were here, but very far from constantlly.

Just because it says "tank in need" doesn't mean tanks are indeed, in need.

I've had plenty of times where it said that, queued as a tank, had a 5 min (or more) wait.

Switched to healer, Instant Pop.

SE's "In Need" system is simply flawed.

[Seraphor]

Okay yeah so the only reason the new system isn't judged like the old system is because of the changes that have occured due to how dps is measured now. People judged how cards were used before because under the old ranking system ast cards would improve the person recieving the cards dps ranking. Under the new changes how ast uses their cards only effects the asts damage ranking due to how rankings now operate on RDPS not DPS. If we had the old system under the new climate people simply wouldnt care as much because how the ast uses their cards won't effect their rdps ranking, only the asts.

Except the salt I got wasn't just in high end duties, it was in dungeons and alliance raids where logs don't mean anything.
It was an overall perception that 'AST cards are for ME and are vastly different so I want the ones I need'.

[ReiMakoto]

Except the salt I got wasn't just in high end duties, it was in dungeons and alliance raids where logs don't mean anything.

Sounds like you ran into some bad players then lol, I never got shit on by anyone for playing AST like a doofus and im on the same server as you lol. Theres also bleedown to consider, less skilled players will parrot what they hear from the top players, even in casual content, its why you get people who care about metacomps in quickplay in fps games. Because cards dont matter anymore for dps players parse, its talked about less, so it bleedsdown less.

[LaylaTsarra]

Just because it says "tank in need" doesn't mean tanks are indeed, in need.

I've had plenty of times where it said that, queued as a tank, had a 5 min (or more) wait.

Switched to healer, Instant Pop.

SE's "In Need" system is simply flawed.

I queue as healers all the time... can't say how many times tank is in need and when it says healer have it switch to tank and get no bonus.

[BlitzAceRush]

On Gilg it's a toss up for Tank or Healer in need, rarely see DPS but it can happen. Yes their system swaps so fast sometimes that it doesn't display correctly but that's not proof that healers are more in need as I've had the reverse happen.
Healer in need, que as healer, 5 min wait, swap to Tank, instant pop.
At the very start of ShB with all the healer Drama, yes Healer in need seemed to be more present, but two or so weeks after launch things went back to normal.

[Halivel]

Just because it says "tank in need" doesn't mean tanks are indeed, in need.

I've had plenty of times where it said that, queued as a tank, had a 5 min (or more) wait.

Switched to healer, Instant Pop.

SE's "In Need" system is simply flawed.

It was like this here (Chaos DC) too when it was still the beginning of the expansion, when there were thousands of new tanks leveling gunbreaker and dark knight (healers being among them as well). Hovewer, right now my queues, either DR (usually instant) or separate dungeon (usually 1-5 minutes), are nearly the same both for healer and tank. /shrug

[Elladie]

The fact that healer in need is almost constantly in effect shows SOMETHING is wrong and causing healers to not play as much as they used to.

On the Chaos data centre tank in need is still more common. It is DPS in need often too, especially for trials and raids. I have been levelling an alt healer and an alt DPS during lockdown, and I've experienced a healer bonus once in 2 months. I have also had almost insta queues on my DPS which is a VERY new experience to me. So again, my experience doesn't match yours. And as I have said several times already, presumably SE knows which is the more accurate picture, if either, and will act accordingly.

I'm not the one making demands here. I am having fun with my healers currently. I would prefer them not to change them up too much; the only criticism I had of ShB SCH was the loss of Energy Drain, which they put back almost immediately. But if they do make drastic changes, I will play the role and see what I think; if it doesn't suit me, I will play RDM or DNC most probably, but I won't presume that SE have made the changes for no reason or accuse them of idiocy or of ruining MY game. I'll presume they've done so because they have objective evidence that such changes are necessary to prevent large numbers of players leaving the game

[Maeka]

Meh.

I don't want a complex rotation on my healer, because quite frankly, in an 8-man fight, I need to watch what the other healer is doing, watch what the boss is doing, keep my eyes on HP meters, etc.

I don't want a DPS style rotation while doing all of that junk. Any DPS that I throw out is just filler when I have no healing currently needing done, and this varies, wildly group to group, fight to fight.

Some fights and some groups, I can cast Glare or Malefic or what-not 10, 12 times in a row. Other times, I can barely get one or two in before someone else is needing a heal. Or there are other things to do, especially if I'm on AST. Sorry, I'm not a Savage Raider Pro who can throw cards out in-between DPS casts constantly. Maybe my fingers aren't that fast. Maybe I need a split second to think about what the card is and what to do with it.

God Forbid everybody not be awesome Savage Raiders like the people wanting complex healer rotations.

Healer DPS is fine, but I don't want healers spending more attention to more complex rotations and taking their eyes off of HP meters and such, as it is you got healers who get so absorbed in doing the whole 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 thing that I end up doing 90% of the healing in some 8 man fights because the other healer is too busy spamming Broil/Malefic/Glare. I have literally watched people dying and I see their DPS spell popping again and again on their cast bar, and I'm like "uh, hello? My MP is at like 3,000 you going to help or what?"

Nope.

Malefic Malefic Malefic Malefic.

I have also literally watched a DPS die... I use swift+rez and a 2nd DPS dies not too long after and... one DPS spell.... 2 DPS spells.....Three DPS spells... I'm like "um, you gonna rez sometime today?"

Nope.

DPS DPS DPS DPS.

[Elladie]

If 1,2,3 are a combo that heals can interrupt for healers yea I'd agree with you that it would be a terrible idea to do because things can change on a dime for healers especially in 24 mans, I also do not want to see "sorry can't heal you i'm mid dps combo", however if heals don't interupt or 2,3 were both dots with different durations then what harm does it do, people's playstyles wouldn't magically change for the worse.

1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,1,1,1,3,2 is more interesting than
1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2 because you are actively thinking more in the former than the latter.

They have tried reduction to the dps kit the current system is the result, what harm would it do to do a bit of addition to this kit especially if you feel there is no difference for it as it means you'll handle it regardless.

Also know what also is unnecessary more healing tools, all 3 healers can handle ShB 'casual' content with their SB kits even savage can be handled with SB kits leaving Ultimate, the content 1% of the playerbase does as the only justifiable place for the new healing tools. So additional stuff to our healing kits you know the primary role is straight up bloat, yet you know they are going to add even more to it next expansion and definitely won't change content design to compliment it, I mean did Shadowbringers do that with the culling

But I already have 4 buttons to press that aren't a rotation. I have my DoT, I have my single target button, I have my AoE. I have Energy Drain. When I played SCH 12 months ago, I had 1 more DoT and an ability that spread the DoTs but meant I couldn't really risk using Energy Drain as well in case I needed my Aether charges to save people. I'd only be comfortable having no charges if it was about to come off cooldown. So effectively I had one more button. I'm not sure how deciding to use Bane rather than Energy Drain is so much more entertaining than popping on my DoT, hitting my direct attack as often as possible and throwing in my Energy Drain if I don't think I'll need the charge for something else?

I'm obviously missing something really significant here .... I am not sure how you can argue I'm doing less thinking, I'm doing exactly the same amount of thinking, I just don't have a button for Miasma to press. I mean, I could maybe get behind an argument that Bane would be more useful than Energy Drain and need more thought, but then you're asking unconfident healers to risk a charge on a mandatory Bane or be called incompetent .... which is pretty much why the healer DPS kit changed in the first place